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XVP - Frugal Printer Cartridge alternative

#21

I am amazed at the number of posts on this off topic thread. And
even more amazed at who was the initiator. I'd rather see the Rob
Signer thread brought back than continue reading these, as the

Singer

thread was closer to on topic (and yes I hated that thread too).

What next, how to add a harddrive? Reviews on anti virus software?
Windows upgrade recommendations?

Can we stick to VP??

It does appear that there are different yardsticks for what gets moved
to FREEVPFREE. Can I flog my business here for a while?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrbillooo" <wjkomo@h...> wrote:

#22

<<It does appear that there are different yardsticks for what gets moved
to FREEVPFREE. Can I flog my business here for a while?>>

I had the permission of the administrator to put the initial post about printer cartridges here. The owners of this business then did ask that future correspondence about this be put on FREEVPFREE. Sometimes people respond to posts as they read them and only later see alternate instructions. Also, I am assuming our new administrator has a life, including playing VP at least once in awhile. So he/she may not get around to requesting that a subject be moved the second it is posted. There is a time delay inherent on these boards.

These messages were all marked XVP, I believe, with a clear subject line. I suggest people delete without reading things that don't interest them. In the past sometimes things about computers HAVE been discussed because they are of general interest to a lot of people and indirectly related to skilled VP play one might say.

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#23

These messages were all marked XVP, I believe, with a clear subject

line. I

suggest people delete without reading things that don't interest

them. <<<<

The problem with this suggestion is many of us get these messages in
the digest form. We don't have the option of just deleting the off
topic posts without reading them. We have to scroll through all the
XVP material. In the last few weeks there seems to have been more off
topic posts than on topic. I've had some digests in the past where 18-
20 of the 25 messages were XVP.

While I have no problem with a few off topic posts from time to time,
it seems to be the norm here as of late.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:

#24

gotta luv it...after a thread is pretty much over it is continued by
posters who complain it is going on too long...you guys might try
being selective about the threads you read...i know i only read a
fraction of the board...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001"
<krajewski.sa@p...> wrote:

> I am amazed at the number of posts on this off topic thread. And
> even more amazed at who was the initiator. I'd rather see the

Rob

> Signer thread brought back than continue reading these, as the
Singer
> thread was closer to on topic (and yes I hated that thread too).
>
> What next, how to add a harddrive? Reviews on anti virus

software?

> Windows upgrade recommendations?
>
> Can we stick to VP??

It does appear that there are different yardsticks for what gets

moved

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrbillooo" <wjkomo@h...> wrote:
to FREEVPFREE. Can I flog my business here for a while?

#25

The problem with this suggestion is many of us get these messages

in

the digest form. We don't have the option of just deleting the off
topic posts without reading them. We have to scroll through all the
XVP material. In the last few weeks there seems to have been more

off

topic posts than on topic. I've had some digests in the past where

18-

20 of the 25 messages were XVP.

While I have no problem with a few off topic posts from time to

time,

it seems to be the norm here as of late.

EXACTLY!

#26

PHEW! Is all of this by-play about "fair and kind" really necessary?

Yes, I know! I am just adding to it. LOL

bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrbillooo" <wjkomo@h...> wrote:

> The problem with this suggestion is many of us get these messages
in
> the digest form. We don't have the option of just deleting the off
> topic posts without reading them. We have to scroll through all the
> XVP material. In the last few weeks there seems to have been more
off
> topic posts than on topic. I've had some digests in the past where
18-
> 20 of the 25 messages were XVP.
>
> While I have no problem with a few off topic posts from time to
time,
> it seems to be the norm here as of late.

EXACTLY!

#27

Hi everybody,

as you can see I also have a very clear and easy to understand subject line but still, some people may have problems to figure out this little puzzle (I hope they do not). Even Jean Scott may not be able to do it. Of course, she is smart. She knows right away what XVP stood for.

But seriously, we should take a couple of seconds longer when we write an email to write something sensible into the subject line and not something like OT or MVP.

By the way, how much longer will this board be an advertising platform for printer cartridges? It is all right, but don's overdo it. I think all people who are interested in this service have already made a note of the address and phone #.

Helmut

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Jean Scott wrote:

---- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Let's be fair and kind

<<It does appear that there are different yardsticks for what gets moved
to FREEVPFREE. Can I flog my business here for a while?>>

I had the permission of the administrator to put the initial post about
printer cartridges here. The owners of this business then did ask that
future correspondence about this be put on FREEVPFREE. Sometimes people
respond to posts as they read them and only later see alternate
instructions. Also, I am assuming our new administrator has a life,
including playing VP at least once in awhile. So he/she may not get around
to requesting that a subject be moved the second it is posted. There is a
time delay inherent on these boards.

These messages were all marked XVP, I believe, with a clear subject line. I
suggest people delete without reading things that don't interest them. In
the past sometimes things about computers HAVE been discussed because they
are of general interest to a lot of people and indirectly related to skilled
VP play one might say.
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards.
NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
             Updated Second Edition of
            "The Frugal Gambler."

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

Yahoo! Groups Links

#28

XVP came from the former Administrator. He told everyone to start
any Subject/topic that has nothing to do with Video Poker.

My suggestion:
Add a link/short cut to FREEvpFREE forum right below the Home,
Pages, Chat, Files, Photos, Polls, Calendar section similar to:

FREEvpFREE (for non-Video Poker topics)

Hi everybody,

as you can see I also have a very clear and easy to understand

subject line

but still, some people may have problems to figure out this little

puzzle (I

hope they do not). Even Jean Scott may not be able to do it. Of

course, she

is smart. She knows right away what XVP stood for.

But seriously, we should take a couple of seconds longer when we

write an

email to write something sensible into the subject line and not

something

like OT or MVP.

By the way, how much longer will this board be an advertising

platform for

printer cartridges? It is all right, but don's overdo it. I think

all people

who are interested in this service have already made a note of the

address

and phone #.

Helmut

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Jean Scott wrote:

From: "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Let's be fair and kind

> <<It does appear that there are different yardsticks for what

gets moved

> to FREEVPFREE. Can I flog my business here for a while?>>
>
> I had the permission of the administrator to put the initial

post about

> printer cartridges here. The owners of this business then did

ask that

> future correspondence about this be put on FREEVPFREE.

Sometimes people

> respond to posts as they read them and only later see alternate
> instructions. Also, I am assuming our new administrator has a

life,

> including playing VP at least once in awhile. So he/she may not

get

> around
> to requesting that a subject be moved the second it is posted.

There is a

> time delay inherent on these boards.
>
> These messages were all marked XVP, I believe, with a clear

subject line.

> I
> suggest people delete without reading things that don't

interest them.

> In
> the past sometimes things about computers HAVE been discussed

because they

> are of general interest to a lot of people and indirectly

related to

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Helmut Wolf" <hewolf@c...> wrote:

---- Original Message -----
> skilled
> VP play one might say.
> ________________________________________
> Jean $¢ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
> for VP software and strategy cards.
> NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
> Updated Second Edition of
> "The Frugal Gambler."
>
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

#29

Frankly , sometimes the off-topic posts are among the most valuable. I think the board has different values to different people. Of course it is a VP board BUT sometimes the loosely related topics are valuable. And sometimes people who consider the members of the group as extended friends, share things that may not be specifically related to VP. At times those posts are very valuable.

For example, I recall posts in the past dealing specifically with anti-virus software. It had nothing to do with VP but was certainly nice for the person to share with the group.

I also recently recall someone asking about which computer to buy. Several members jumped in to help. Seems logical to me that they would ask this question of people who perhaps had a good idea of what hardware/software the person needed.

And I will likely give the ink cartridge place a trial. Frankly I would never even have considered it IF I hadn't heard about it here. I am not subscribed to any "ink cartridge replacement" boards. So I appreciate the gesture of the initial post.

The administrator moves something to the "other" board when they feel it belongs there. That is their prerogative.

I think as long as the post is labeled accurately then people can ignore or delete as they wish. It is pretty easy to ignore what is of no-interest. This includes getting posts in digest form. I know, because I used to receive them that way.

If something is labeled "Sam's Town full pay deuces downgraded" and then talks about "car rentals" that is when I think there is a problem. My two cents.

#30

XVP came from the former Administrator. He told everyone to start any Subject/topic that has nothing to do with Video Poker.

I thought XVP was suggested by Skip Hughes on vpmail (SHG) to designate
topics not related to vp directly but still of interested to vp players.
And XXVP was for topics totally not related to vp. Then people started
to use XVP on vpFREE. I think Skip should get credit for this as well
as NSUD.
Jean Scott should get credit for FITR too!

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

#31

The carousel of $1 9/6 JoB at Paris that was by the fountain and craps pit
has been replaced by a carousel of video slots. I didn't see them in a
cursory look around but it's possible they've been moved elsewhere.

Cogno

#32

OK. I'll bite and show my ignorance.

What is FITR?

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Cielaszyk <cacti@1...> wrote:

>
Jean Scott should get credit for FITR too!

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

#33

Hi Dennis,

between you and me, could you please tell me what FITR stands for?

If the members of this group would find out how dumb I was they would probably ask the Administrator to kick me out.

I talked to my University Professor in Germany about this and he said I should not worry too much, it is not entirely my fault. However, he also said that every child knows what FITR stands for and I should not bother him with kid stuff in the future.

Now of course I am still scratching my head because I still don't know what FITR is or who it is or whatever it is.

You know, I just hope nobody finds out what IKMAAAL stands for because this would mean more trouble.

What a mess.

Helmut

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Cielaszyk" <cacti@1stConnect.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: IKMAAAL

>

XVP came from the former Administrator. He told everyone to start
any Subject/topic that has nothing to do with Video Poker.

I thought XVP was suggested by Skip Hughes on vpmail (SHG) to designate
topics not related to vp directly but still of interested to vp players.
And XXVP was for topics totally not related to vp. Then people started
to use XVP on vpFREE. I think Skip should get credit for this as well
as NSUD.
Jean Scott should get credit for FITR too!

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

Yahoo! Groups Links

#34

ednar wrote:

Frankly , sometimes the off-topic posts are among the most valuable.
I think the board has different values to different people. Of
course it is a VP board BUT sometimes the loosely related topics are
valuable. And sometimes people who consider the members of the group
as extended friends, share things that may not be specifically
related to VP. At times those posts are very valuable ...

The administrator moves something to the "other" board when they
feel it belongs there. That is their prerogative.

I think as long as the post is labeled accurately then people can
ignore or delete as they wish. It is pretty easy to ignore what is
of no-interest. This includes getting posts in digest form. I know,
because I used to receive them that way.

Here's my take on this: Anytime a non-vp related topic attracts a
dozen posts, it's a discussion that is much more appropriate for a
separate vpFREE discussion group that could beter foster and encourage
the thread.

An effective off-topic group could also provide a forum where other
valuable information, peripheral to vp but of considerable interest to
members, might be exchanged without feeling that discussion has
strayed from vpFREE's stated focus.

By comparison, pretty much any topic that is shunted to FREEvpFREE
withers on the vine (witness the attempt to take the printer
discussion there Wednesday). There is every reason to believe that
this reflects an aversion to the high volume, interpersonal diatribe
that has engulphed that forum.

We're an intelligent group and possess valuable non-vp knowledge,
experience and insights which merit sharing. vpFREE isn't an
effective forum in which to freely share that information nor, in its
present incarnation, is FREEvpFREE (which I expect 98% of members
don't even occasionally skim).

I suggest an off-topic forum that is free from self-indulgent
exchanges between a few select indiviudals of the type that have
dominated FvpF this year. On the other hand, if other frequent vpFREE
participants are satisfied with the status quo, then there's nothing
that need be "fixed".

- Harry

#35

Anytime a non-vp related topic attracts a dozen posts...

But, then, who determines what is "non-vp related"? Sometimes it is obvious,
sometimes it is not. We are all individuals with different "threshholds".

On the other hand, if other frequent vpFREE
participants are satisfied with the status quo, then there's nothing
that need be "fixed".

IMHO, there is nothing to be "fixed". But, of course, this is only my OPINION. It
is one that I am certainly entitled to. But, by the same token, anyone else is
entitled to disagree.

- Harry

Is this really a non-problem, that, so far, seems to take care of itself? In such a
diverse group as this is, we are never all going to be able to agree on
everything. (anything???) And, trying to "fine-tune" something to the n'th
degree will only result in "unintended consequences" and we will end up
causing other discussions, ad infinitum?

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...> wrote:

#36

<<Jean Scott should get credit for FITR too!>>

I'd be proud for that to be my legacy - shows I have my life priorities in the proper order!

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________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards.
  NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
              Updated Second Edition of
             "The Frugal Gambler."

#37

They may have been moved but it may be part of the Horrification
(Harrahification) of the place.

Victoria

#38

Cielaszyk wrote:

I thought XVP was suggested by Skip Hughes on vpmail (SHG) to designate
topics not related to vp directly but still of interested to vp players.
And XXVP was for topics totally not related to vp

Although I did (and do) use this format on vpmail2, I did not originate it. As usual, someone suggested it and I glommed onto it and made it a standard. And it has actually worked very well for us for the last 7 years.

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Subject: (XVP) Suggestion for the Video Poker list
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:06:06 EDT
From: <MIKEARRONY>
To: mail@vid-poker.com
-----
I would like to suggest a simple notation for our Video Poker list. Whenever
we issue a message to the list that does not directly deal with video poker we
put "(XVP)" in the Subject line of our email. That way we know without
opening the mail that the subjuct matter contained deals with a subject
related to video poker but not video poker itself.
Mike
Mikearrony
Skip

Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com