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XVP - CoachVee Derby Pix

I'm not a horse better, but I still find the insight into this type of wagering fascinating. I'm always interested in hearing more about a gambling proposition where the house is not an automatic winner.

There are probably more like me than you think.

rob

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--- On Fri, 5/1/09, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee Derby Pix
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:05 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@... wrote:

Hi Gang:
Despite being retired and away from the game for four and a half years,
handicapping is still in my blood ...and my passion. So, as is my custom, I
offer the following selections for Saturday's Run for the Roses.

I, too, have a big interest in horseracing, Coach. Here are some comments on your picks.

1) DUNKIRK. (No. 15, 4-1) Talented colt is lightly raced but his Florida
Derby was most impressive prep of those who made it this far. Pletcher
overdue to win one of these things. Prado a plus.

Dunkirk is my #2 pick, but how can you say his Florida Derby was the "most impressive prep"?! I Want Revenge's Wood was far more impressive, IMO. I Want Revenge overcame more in his Wood race than Dunkirk or any other Derby horse has yet faced. The way he was left at the starting gate, was boxed, bumped and still won was like some kind of preposterous Hollywood movie.. see: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/videos/3630 (it might be enough to make someone a racing fan!)

Also, Prado is not a plus on Dunkirk when the previous rider was Gomez.

2) CHOCOLATE CANDY. (No. 11, 20-1). Seven wide on final turn in SA Derby
but was gaining on Pioneerof The Nile at wire. Solid, consistent, bred for
off track and can only improve with Smith in saddle.

Nice horse, but he's only run on the Cal synthetic surfaces. How he'll do on real dirt is a big unknown. Agree about Smith.

3) DESERT PARTY. (No. 19, 15-1) Just missed catching stablemate Regal
Ransom on speed-favoring track in Dubai. Working extremely well at Churchill.
Godolphin's best hope in long time. Wide post only knock.

Agree.

4) PIONEEROF THE NILE. (No. 16, 4-1). Best of ultra-talented California
bunch this year. Flawless record at 3 and trained by Bullet Bob, who knows
how to get it done in first jewel. Dangerous.

Another synthetic-only horse, but I think he is this year's Colonel John. He doesn't match up to I Want Revenge and Dunkirk.

   LONGSHOT: General  Quarters\. \(No\. 12, 20\-1\)

My longshots would be Hold Me Back or one of the Godolphin horses. But my clear favorite is I Want Revenge. He's faster than any horse in the race and he's shown he's tough. I think he'd be a good bet at 7-2, but we may not see odds that high on him.

I won't get into a long discussion/argument here, because there are probably not another 5 people on the site who care about horses. But I'll plug a few other sites I think are good for anyone who IS interested.

1. The best all-around site for racing, IMO, is DerbyTrail.com. Some very strong cappers post there, including Andy Serling.

2. I post occasional picks on the Racing Forum at Stanford Wong's Sharpsportsbetting.com.

3. Roughingthepunter.com is a fairly new site started by "Jon in Oakland", who had hosted weekly radio-type sports discussions/interviews for a few years. I'll be going over the Derby field along with a sports writer from the NY Post tonight and the audio will be available at roughingthepunter.com later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Good luck to everyone on Saturday! Enjoy the spectacle!
Regards,
CoachVee

Ditto.

--Dunbar

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Ha, the house not an automatic winner. That's got me ROTFLMAO. The house cuts, I believe 16 or 17% off the top of the parimutuel pool, and distributes what's left to the winners. The cut may even be higher on "exotics" like trifectas, etc.

I used to bet horses fairly regularly 30 or more years ago, but the effort wasn't worth it. I still enjoy going up to Saratoga for a day, and watching the races. Its exciting, but I wouldn't bet more than a couple of bucks on a race. Except in the Belmont a couple of years back, when Mohegan Sun had a promotion giving me a free $50 bet. I put it on the filly Rags to Riches at 4.30 to 1.

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From: Rob Reid <rreid0859@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 6:00:27 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee Derby Pix

I'm not a horse better, but I still find the insight into this type of wagering fascinating. I'm always interested in hearing more about a gambling proposition where the house is not an automatic winner.

There are probably more like me than you think.

rob

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail. com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee Derby Pix
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:05 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, coachvee@... wrote:

Hi Gang:
Despite being retired and away from the game for four and a half years,
handicapping is still in my blood ...and my passion. So, as is my custom, I
offer the following selections for Saturday's Run for the Roses.

I, too, have a big interest in horseracing, Coach. Here are some comments on your picks.
  

1) DUNKIRK. (No. 15, 4-1) Talented colt is lightly raced but his Florida
Derby was most impressive prep of those who made it this far. Pletcher
overdue to win one of these things. Prado a plus.

Dunkirk is my #2 pick, but how can you say his Florida Derby was the "most impressive prep"?! I Want Revenge's Wood was far more impressive, IMO. I Want Revenge overcame more in his Wood race than Dunkirk or any other Derby horse has yet faced. The way he was left at the starting gate, was boxed, bumped and still won was like some kind of preposterous Hollywood movie.. see: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/videos/3630 (it might be enough to make someone a racing fan!)

Also, Prado is not a plus on Dunkirk when the previous rider was Gomez.

2) CHOCOLATE CANDY. (No. 11, 20-1). Seven wide on final turn in SA Derby
but was gaining on Pioneerof The Nile at wire. Solid, consistent, bred for
off track and can only improve with Smith in saddle.

Nice horse, but he's only run on the Cal synthetic surfaces. How he'll do on real dirt is a big unknown. Agree about Smith.

3) DESERT PARTY. (No. 19, 15-1) Just missed catching stablemate Regal
Ransom on speed-favoring track in Dubai. Working extremely well at Churchill.
Godolphin's best hope in long time. Wide post only knock.

Agree.

4) PIONEEROF THE NILE. (No. 16, 4-1). Best of ultra-talented California
bunch this year. Flawless record at 3 and trained by Bullet Bob, who knows
how to get it done in first jewel. Dangerous.

Another synthetic-only horse, but I think he is this year's Colonel John. He doesn't match up to I Want Revenge and Dunkirk.

      LONGSHOT: General Quarters. (No. 12, 20-1)

My longshots would be Hold Me Back or one of the Godolphin horses. But my clear favorite is I Want Revenge. He's faster than any horse in the race and he's shown he's tough. I think he'd be a good bet at 7-2, but we may not see odds that high on him.

I won't get into a long discussion/argument here, because there are probably not another 5 people on the site who care about horses. But I'll plug a few other sites I think are good for anyone who IS interested.

1. The best all-around site for racing, IMO, is DerbyTrail.com. Some very strong cappers post there, including Andy Serling.

2. I post occasional picks on the Racing Forum at Stanford Wong's Sharpsportsbetting. com.

3. Roughingthepunter. com is a fairly new site started by "Jon in Oakland", who had hosted weekly radio-type sports discussions/ interviews for a few years. I'll be going over the Derby field along with a sports writer from the NY Post tonight and the audio will be available at roughingthepunter. com later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Good luck to everyone on Saturday! Enjoy the spectacle!
Regards,
CoachVee

Ditto.

--Dunbar

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