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#1

Hi Gang:
Despite being retired and away from the game for four and a half years,
handicapping is still in my blood ...and my passion. So, as is my custom, I
offer the following selections for Saturday's Run for the Roses.

1) DUNKIRK. (No. 15, 4-1) Talented colt is lightly raced but his Florida
Derby was most impressive prep of those who made it this far. Pletcher
overdue to win one of these things. Prado a plus.
2) CHOCOLATE CANDY. (No. 11, 20-1). Seven wide on final turn in SA Derby
but was gaining on Pioneerof The Nile at wire. Solid, consistent, bred for
off track and can only improve with Smith in saddle.
3) DESERT PARTY. (No. 19, 15-1) Just missed catching stablemate Regal
Ransom on speed-favoring track in Dubai. Working extremely well at Churchill.
Godolphin's best hope in long time. Wide post only knock.
4) PIONEEROF THE NILE. (No. 16, 4-1). Best of ultra-talented California
bunch this year. Flawless record at 3 and trained by Bullet Bob, who knows
how to get it done in first jewel. Dangerous.
      LONGSHOT: General Quarters. (No. 12, 20-1)

Good luck to everyone on Saturday! Enjoy the spectacle!
Regards,
CoachVee

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#2

Hi Gang:
Despite being retired and away from the game for four and a half years,
handicapping is still in my blood ...and my passion. So, as is my custom, I
offer the following selections for Saturday's Run for the Roses.

I, too, have a big interest in horseracing, Coach. Here are some comments on your picks.
  

1) DUNKIRK. (No. 15, 4-1) Talented colt is lightly raced but his Florida
Derby was most impressive prep of those who made it this far. Pletcher
overdue to win one of these things. Prado a plus.

Dunkirk is my #2 pick, but how can you say his Florida Derby was the "most impressive prep"?! I Want Revenge's Wood was far more impressive, IMO. I Want Revenge overcame more in his Wood race than Dunkirk or any other Derby horse has yet faced. The way he was left at the starting gate, was boxed, bumped and still won was like some kind of preposterous Hollywood movie. see: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/videos/3630 (it might be enough to make someone a racing fan!)

Also, Prado is not a plus on Dunkirk when the previous rider was Gomez.

2) CHOCOLATE CANDY. (No. 11, 20-1). Seven wide on final turn in SA Derby
but was gaining on Pioneerof The Nile at wire. Solid, consistent, bred for
off track and can only improve with Smith in saddle.

Nice horse, but he's only run on the Cal synthetic surfaces. How he'll do on real dirt is a big unknown. Agree about Smith.

3) DESERT PARTY. (No. 19, 15-1) Just missed catching stablemate Regal
Ransom on speed-favoring track in Dubai. Working extremely well at Churchill.
Godolphin's best hope in long time. Wide post only knock.

Agree.

4) PIONEEROF THE NILE. (No. 16, 4-1). Best of ultra-talented California
bunch this year. Flawless record at 3 and trained by Bullet Bob, who knows
how to get it done in first jewel. Dangerous.

Another synthetic-only horse, but I think he is this year's Colonel John. He doesn't match up to I Want Revenge and Dunkirk.

      LONGSHOT: General Quarters. (No. 12, 20-1)

My longshots would be Hold Me Back or one of the Godolphin horses. But my clear favorite is I Want Revenge. He's faster than any horse in the race and he's shown he's tough. I think he'd be a good bet at 7-2, but we may not see odds that high on him.

I won't get into a long discussion/argument here, because there are probably not another 5 people on the site who care about horses. But I'll plug a few other sites I think are good for anyone who IS interested.

1. The best all-around site for racing, IMO, is DerbyTrail.com. Some very strong cappers post there, including Andy Serling.

2. I post occasional picks on the Racing Forum at Stanford Wong's Sharpsportsbetting.com.

3. Roughingthepunter.com is a fairly new site started by "Jon in Oakland", who had hosted weekly radio-type sports discussions/interviews for a few years. I'll be going over the Derby field along with a sports writer from the NY Post tonight and the audio will be available at roughingthepunter.com later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Good luck to everyone on Saturday! Enjoy the spectacle!
Regards,
CoachVee

Ditto.

--Dunbar

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#3

Thanks for the fascinating post. I think if you enjoy gambling, you are likely to enjoy more then one kind. While I am never very successful at the track, I just go a couple of times a year and always have a ball. My girlfriend and I plan to put in a few hours of yard work, then go to Running Aces (a new track in Minnesota) and reward our hard work with a cocktail and a couple of bets. I appreciate the insight and please don't hesitate to post again IMHO.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee Derby Pix

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Hi Gang:
Despite being retired and away from the game for four and a half years,
handicapping is still in my blood ...and my passion. So, as is my custom, I
offer the following selections for Saturday's Run for the Roses.

I, too, have a big interest in horseracing, Coach. Here are some comments on your picks.

1) DUNKIRK. (No. 15, 4-1) Talented colt is lightly raced but his Florida
Derby was most impressive prep of those who made it this far. Pletcher
overdue to win one of these things. Prado a plus.

Dunkirk is my #2 pick, but how can you say his Florida Derby was the "most impressive prep"?! I Want Revenge's Wood was far more impressive, IMO. I Want Revenge overcame more in his Wood race than Dunkirk or any other Derby horse has yet faced. The way he was left at the starting gate, was boxed, bumped and still won was like some kind of preposterous Hollywood movie. see: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/videos/3630 (it might be enough to make someone a racing fan!)

Also, Prado is not a plus on Dunkirk when the previous rider was Gomez.

2) CHOCOLATE CANDY. (No. 11, 20-1). Seven wide on final turn in SA Derby
but was gaining on Pioneerof The Nile at wire. Solid, consistent, bred for
off track and can only improve with Smith in saddle.

Nice horse, but he's only run on the Cal synthetic surfaces. How he'll do on real dirt is a big unknown. Agree about Smith.

3) DESERT PARTY. (No. 19, 15-1) Just missed catching stablemate Regal
Ransom on speed-favoring track in Dubai. Working extremely well at Churchill.
Godolphin's best hope in long time. Wide post only knock.

Agree.

4) PIONEEROF THE NILE. (No. 16, 4-1). Best of ultra-talented California
bunch this year. Flawless record at 3 and trained by Bullet Bob, who knows
how to get it done in first jewel. Dangerous.

Another synthetic-only horse, but I think he is this year's Colonel John. He doesn't match up to I Want Revenge and Dunkirk.

LONGSHOT: General Quarters. (No. 12, 20-1)

My longshots would be Hold Me Back or one of the Godolphin horses. But my clear favorite is I Want Revenge. He's faster than any horse in the race and he's shown he's tough. I think he'd be a good bet at 7-2, but we may not see odds that high on him.

I won't get into a long discussion/argument here, because there are probably not another 5 people on the site who care about horses. But I'll plug a few other sites I think are good for anyone who IS interested.

1. The best all-around site for racing, IMO, is DerbyTrail.com. Some very strong cappers post there, including Andy Serling.

2. I post occasional picks on the Racing Forum at Stanford Wong's Sharpsportsbetting. com.

3. Roughingthepunter. com is a fairly new site started by "Jon in Oakland", who had hosted weekly radio-type sports discussions/ interviews for a few years. I'll be going over the Derby field along with a sports writer from the NY Post tonight and the audio will be available at roughingthepunter. com later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Good luck to everyone on Saturday! Enjoy the spectacle!
Regards,
CoachVee

Ditto.

--Dunbar

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#4

Looking at the Racing Form today there are about 5 favorites by the 22 handicappers listed ... in various order ... Pioneer of the Nile, I Want Revenge, Friesan Fire, Dunkirk, and Chocolate Candy. All have relatively low odds. Its very likely one of these will win. However, there are 15 other horses in this race and sometimes upsets happen. So I tried to find one or two in those 15 that could conceivably win.

Using this approach my picks are +2 Musket Man and #17 Summer Red. Musket Red won both races it ran in 2008 and 3 out of 4 in 2009 ... at times pretty comparable to the favorites. Speed rating only 98 in last race but it has steadily improved each race ... maybe it will improve again today. Summer Bird is a huge longshot because no horse since 1882 has won the Derby that didn't run as a two year old. Only three races, but a steadily improving speed rating to 99 in the last race. Maybe it will go higher today. Both horses have higher speed ratings than Pioneer of the Nile. As for the favorites, my pick is #15 Dunkirk.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@ wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gang:
> Despite being retired and away from the game for four and a half years,
> handicapping is still in my blood ...and my passion. So, as is my custom, I
> offer the following selections for Saturday's Run for the Roses.
>

I, too, have a big interest in horseracing, Coach. Here are some comments on your picks.
  
> 1) DUNKIRK. (No. 15, 4-1) Talented colt is lightly raced but his Florida
> Derby was most impressive prep of those who made it this far. Pletcher
> overdue to win one of these things. Prado a plus.

Dunkirk is my #2 pick, but how can you say his Florida Derby was the "most impressive prep"?! I Want Revenge's Wood was far more impressive, IMO. I Want Revenge overcame more in his Wood race than Dunkirk or any other Derby horse has yet faced. The way he was left at the starting gate, was boxed, bumped and still won was like some kind of preposterous Hollywood movie. see: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/videos/3630 (it might be enough to make someone a racing fan!)

Also, Prado is not a plus on Dunkirk when the previous rider was Gomez.

> 2) CHOCOLATE CANDY. (No. 11, 20-1). Seven wide on final turn in SA Derby
> but was gaining on Pioneerof The Nile at wire. Solid, consistent, bred for
> off track and can only improve with Smith in saddle.

Nice horse, but he's only run on the Cal synthetic surfaces. How he'll do on real dirt is a big unknown. Agree about Smith.

> 3) DESERT PARTY. (No. 19, 15-1) Just missed catching stablemate Regal
> Ransom on speed-favoring track in Dubai. Working extremely well at Churchill.
> Godolphin's best hope in long time. Wide post only knock.

Agree.

> 4) PIONEEROF THE NILE. (No. 16, 4-1). Best of ultra-talented California
> bunch this year. Flawless record at 3 and trained by Bullet Bob, who knows
> how to get it done in first jewel. Dangerous.

Another synthetic-only horse, but I think he is this year's Colonel John. He doesn't match up to I Want Revenge and Dunkirk.

> LONGSHOT: General Quarters. (No. 12, 20-1)

My longshots would be Hold Me Back or one of the Godolphin horses. But my clear favorite is I Want Revenge. He's faster than any horse in the race and he's shown he's tough. I think he'd be a good bet at 7-2, but we may not see odds that high on him.

I won't get into a long discussion/argument here, because there are probably not another 5 people on the site who care about horses. But I'll plug a few other sites I think are good for anyone who IS interested.

1. The best all-around site for racing, IMO, is DerbyTrail.com. Some very strong cappers post there, including Andy Serling.

2. I post occasional picks on the Racing Forum at Stanford Wong's Sharpsportsbetting.com.

3. Roughingthepunter.com is a fairly new site started by "Jon in Oakland", who had hosted weekly radio-type sports discussions/interviews for a few years. I'll be going over the Derby field along with a sports writer from the NY Post tonight and the audio will be available at roughingthepunter.com later tonight or tomorrow morning.

>
> Good luck to everyone on Saturday! Enjoy the spectacle!
> Regards,
> CoachVee

Ditto.

--Dunbar

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#5

Charles and Kathy, I lost your email. Could you send it to me please, I have
a question to ask you about Manny. Thanks.

John

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