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XVP [acvpp] Re: Is There a Fungus Among Us?

Gotta leave the house to buy the antiseptic, the filter masks, the "How to
Play Texas Hold'em" books, and the body armor! Or I guess you could buy
online... NO! Identity and credit card theft! AUGGGHHHH!!!

Brian

PS: When this thread runs out, there's always Global Warming, the Thinning
Ozone Layer, the Hazards of Trans Fat, Drinking and Driving, Drinking Without
Driving, Not Wearing Sunscreen, and of course, Tertiary Smoke!

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In a message dated 11/17/2005 8:01:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rwhannu@aol.com writes:

Between the germs, the smoke, the devastated pay tables, and the VP pro's
out
there stabbing us all in the back, it's funny that anybody from this group
even bothers to leave the house....

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

bjaygold@aol.com wrote:

Gotta leave the house to buy the antiseptic, the filter masks, the "How to Play Texas Hold'em" books, and the body armor!

Just don't get any flea powder!

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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com

As a physician, I'll give a brief answer. The issue being discussed is
protecting oneself from fomite-borne pathogens. A fomite being any
object, such as a doorknob or VP machine, that is not in itself
harmful, but is able to harbor pathogenic microorganisms and thus may
serve as an agent of transmission of an infection. From the
definition, you can see that darn near everything you touch is a
fomite. To try to sanitize everything you touch before touching it is
an exercise in futility. To decide to sanitize the VP machine before
touching it, but not money or peoples hands before shaking them, has,
shall we say, a very low ER.
The key, as has been mentioned before, is what you do with your hands
after touching fomites. Wash or sanitize them as often as possible,
and be conscious about not rubbing your nose or eyes if you haven't
cleaned your hands recently. Next time you go to your doctor with a
cold, notice that s/he isn't afraid to shake your hand, but doesn't
touch his/her face and washes up right after examining you. I
encounter more sick people than my pre-schooler, but he gets sick more,
and it isn't because I've had more time to build up immunity.

All seriousness aside, as germophobic as Michael Jackson is with his
facemasks and all, do you think he washes his hands after fondling boys
genitals? How about an XVP poll?

Ben

bjaygold@a... wrote:

Gotta leave the house to buy the antiseptic, the filter masks,
the "How to Play Texas Hold'em" books, and the body armor!

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:

Just don't get any flea powder!

Skip
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Why not, Skip? It would seem to a reasonably effective method
of killing the off any pesky fleas who might be hogging a
machine that you want to play and.......WINNING!

Just don't tell the casino suits about it or most of
us will be goners!

-Babe-

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lakeshorebenbev" <benfeinberg@j...>
wrote:

As a physician, I'll give a brief answer. The issue being

discussed is

protecting oneself from fomite-borne pathogens. A fomite being

any

object, such as a doorknob or VP machine, that is not in itself
harmful, but is able to harbor pathogenic microorganisms and thus

may

serve as an agent of transmission of an infection. From the
definition, you can see that darn near everything you touch is a
fomite. To try to sanitize everything you touch before touching

it is

an exercise in futility. To decide to sanitize the VP machine

before

touching it, but not money or peoples hands before shaking them,

has,

shall we say, a very low ER.

What about those infamous Vegas buffets where the guy that just
coughed into his hand grabs the spoon to the bean salad. Or the
person who did not wash his hands after using the toilet (notice I
did not say bathroom) grabs the cover to the bread tray. Or how
about the person who has been playing vp all day and goes to eat
without washing up. Or that after all of that you eat your
delicious bread roll using your hands. I could go on and on, but
unless you live in a bubble, you might as well resign yourself to a
certain amount of germ.

Like the Doc says, wash your hands and keep them out of your mouth
and eyes and face as much as you can. Also away from open cuts or
sores.

BTW, my wife came into the computer room to see what I was laughing
so hysterically about. When I told her it was about guys with
boomerangs and hot thighs, she did not understand.

DWK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lakeshorebenbev" <benfeinberg@j...>
wrote:

As a physician, I'll give a brief answer. The issue being

discussed is

protecting oneself from fomite-borne pathogens. A fomite being

any

object, such as a doorknob or VP machine, that is not in itself
harmful, but is able to harbor pathogenic microorganisms and thus

may

serve as an agent of transmission of an infection. From the
definition, you can see that darn near everything you touch is a
fomite. To try to sanitize everything you touch before touching

it is

an exercise in futility. To decide to sanitize the VP machine

before

touching it, but not money or peoples hands before shaking them,

has,

shall we say, a very low ER.
The key, as has been mentioned before, is what you do with your

hands

after touching fomites. Wash or sanitize them as often as

possible,

and be conscious about not rubbing your nose or eyes if you

haven't

cleaned your hands recently. Next time you go to your doctor with

a

cold, notice that s/he isn't afraid to shake your hand, but

doesn't

touch his/her face and washes up right after examining you. I
encounter more sick people than my pre-schooler, but he gets sick

more,

and it isn't because I've had more time to build up immunity.

...
Ben

I agree with everything in the post above.

I've never wiped down a machine. I limit it, after I leave the
house, to washing with soap and hot water after
urination/defecation and/or when my hands are dirty.
But I am always careful not to touch my hands to my mouth, nose, or
eyes without washing first.
Nor of course to touch food without doing likewise.

Some in the thread above go farther than me, at least one apparently
doesn't wash his hands after urinating.

Obviously there's a lot of personal choice involved in how far one
goes in protecting oneself agains germs.

People have pointed out in this thread that the world is filled with
germs.
I agree of course. But I also feel that some basic hygiene habits
make me less vulnerable to disease.

Some people used to ridicule and argue against the use of seat
belts, using the "I could get killed walking across the street" type
of argument, which I equate to the "Why wash my hands or take other
precautions, there are germs all over" argument.
I feel that certain safety precautions are worthwhile.

Someone mentioned this topic in one post in the thread - I stayed at
the Fremont for a few days recently.
There were signs in the room asking guests to be sure to wash their
hands after touching basically anything in the hotel and casino, to
try to avoid contracting the fungus that was definitely among us at
the Fremont and Cal.