I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of the
$1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed the
total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and put
it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A supervisor
looked up my play in the computer but said there was no record of the
points or the associated $36,000 coin-in. Subsequent play registered
and points travelled between machines so I am not opptimistic the play
will ever show, but will report after my next visit if it reappears.
Occurances such as this always make me question my wisdom in playing
games such as this which have razor thin margins including Free Play
and POSSIBLE bounce back.
Wynn Warning
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...>
wrote:
I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of
the $1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed
the total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and
put it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A
supervisor looked up my play in the computer but said there was no
record of the points or the associated $36,000 coin-in.
OUCH!
Don the Dentist
The card systems in general are full of bugs. You can complain to
management but most likely they will think you are comp hustling. It's
like that great-grandma in PA, she complained about not getting a
ticket from the machine and the casino accused her of hiding the
ticket in her bra and trying to get another ticket. Casinos basically
assume all their customers are criminals.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of the
$1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed the
total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and put
it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A supervisor
looked up my play in the computer but said there was no record of the
points or the associated $36,000 coin-in. Subsequent play registered
and points travelled between machines so I am not opptimistic the play
will ever show, but will report after my next visit if it reappears.
Occurances such as this always make me question my wisdom in playing
games such as this which have razor thin margins including Free Play
and POSSIBLE bounce back.
Sound familiar. I lost 10K+ points on the ones near the deli >1 year ago (actually
happened 2x) and know of others who have had the same fate. After a lot of pestering, I
got most of the points back. They didn't have a record of my coin in-- but they knew I
was playing (got some w2g's, etc). If you don't have any w2g's ask them to check the
cameras (they won't do it; but you'll sound more believable). If you continue to play those
machines, I recommend you remove/replace your card quite often- and check your points.
Careful also about the theo. Rumor has it that some of wynn's multi plays had been coded
as 100% machines (that is, 0% theo and no comps)-- but you still get points. Sigh
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@>
wrote:
>
> I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of
the $1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed
the total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and
put it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A
supervisor looked up my play in the computer but said there was no
record of the points or the associated $36,000 coin-in.OUCH!
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...>
wrote:
I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of the
$1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. >>>
I returned this evening to discover that the points were still missing
as I expected. In speaking with a slot supervisor today, I was told
that they do a back-up at about 3 AM daily. In the future I will try
to avoid playing there at this time of day or pull my card frequently
if I do.
Sounds like you got a bad break.
Too bad there is no such thing as a players bill of rights, but that's par for the course with any 'don't ask/wont tell' slot club systems. The best players clubs have a real time point display - in your face. You watch your points go up, instead of a blank or 'accepted'.
There was a tread on here where it was claimed a player ID theft stole this patrons points. That may have been true, but I venture to say more points are lost to the casino than any other crook. I've lost thousands of points in a lifetime from many casinos due to expiration, new slot club rules, computer errors, individual slot machine errors ( says Accepted, but nothing stored in system ) ... etc. Give me FP Deuces 4700 in $1/$2/$5 and you can keep all the slot club perks!
One other thing. Enjoy those old VP machines that give out extra points when they are not suppose to. New auditing firmware, will make it very easy to track down who got the extra points, and the casino...much like a bank that posts the wrong interest, will automatically deduct those extra's from your account ( no questions asked ) , or demand them back, or failing your cooperation - ban you for life from any/all of their properties.
best wishes...Tom
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----- Original Message ----- From: "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@juno.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [vpFREE] Wynn Warning
I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of the
$1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed the
total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and put
it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A supervisor
looked up my play in the computer but said there was no record of the
points or the associated $36,000 coin-in. Subsequent play registered
and points travelled between machines so I am not opptimistic the play
will ever show, but will report after my next visit if it reappears.
Occurances such as this always make me question my wisdom in playing
games such as this which have razor thin margins including Free Play
and POSSIBLE bounce back.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
If play points weren't recorded then I'd guess it's a slam dunk that
the signer didn't record either? I guess you can file that W2G in
file 13? Isn't that nice?
Cheers...jeep
.
.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...>
wrote:
I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of
the
$1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed
the
total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and
put
it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A
supervisor
looked up my play in the computer but said there was no record of
the
points or the associated $36,000 coin-in. Subsequent play
registered
and points travelled between machines so I am not opptimistic the
play
will ever show, but will report after my next visit if it
reappears.
Occurances such as this always make me question my wisdom in
playing
games such as this which have razor thin margins including Free
Play
···
and POSSIBLE bounce back.
<<If play points weren't recorded then I'd guess it's a slam dunk that
the signer didn't record either? I guess you can file that W2G in
file 13? Isn't that nice?>>
I wouldn't think that these two things are connected. I would NOT ignore this W2G and not show it on your tax return.
···
________________
Jean $�ott
The much-expanded new edition of my tax book,
including a new chapter on poker, is now available
to order at my Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.
No, the W2G is part of federal accounting, screw up there and the
casino could lose its license and face federal prosecution. It just
wasn't recorded in the card club. Casinos usually assert that it is
the player's responsibility to make sure the card club tracking is
accurate. Good luck with that. If the problem is repeatable, you might
be able to get the supervisor to observe you demonstate the problem,
and then he or she might do something about it, if not gaming might
get involved, etc. Bottom line, there are no real hard legal
violations here, they could even accuse you of card pulling. Card club
results aren't even valid for tax purposes. Personal accounting is up
to you, other than the casino has to accurately track W2G's and it has
to actively monitor for illegal cash transactions and structuring and
of course cheating. If and how the casino chooses to track you for
win/loss and player rating is optional and up to casino marketing and
internal to the casino.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@...> wrote:
If play points weren't recorded then I'd guess it's a slam dunk that
the signer didn't record either? I guess you can file that W2G in
file 13? Isn't that nice?Cheers...jeep
.
.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@>
wrote:
>
> I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of
the
> $1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed
the
> total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and
put
> it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A
supervisor
> looked up my play in the computer but said there was no record of
the
> points or the associated $36,000 coin-in. Subsequent play
registered
> and points travelled between machines so I am not opptimistic the
play
> will ever show, but will report after my next visit if it
reappears.
> Occurances such as this always make me question my wisdom in
playing
> games such as this which have razor thin margins including Free
Play
> and POSSIBLE bounce back.
>
One more comment. For example, casino marketing might claim you won
$20,000 from them this year, and you might claim on your taxes that
you only won $15,000 . Well, the IRS might dispute your claim, and
they may or may not chose to audit you and contest your claim. But the
casino marketing claim of your win/loss is pretty much above the law,
it is not legally binding and is not subject to audit or dispute by
you. It is just the opinion of how casino marketing rates your play,
it may not be accurate by accounting standards, but that is largely
irrelevant. For the most part, unless you happen to win a lot or look
like someone who could win a lot, casinos don't give a rat's booty
whether you won or lost, what they care about is their bottom line,
how much they won from all their players, and how to extract/squeeze
even more from all their players. Casinos are not required to
accurately account for your personal play, unless there is a criminal
investigation involved.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
···
No, the W2G is part of federal accounting, screw up there and the
casino could lose its license and face federal prosecution. It just
wasn't recorded in the card club. Casinos usually assert that it is
the player's responsibility to make sure the card club tracking is
accurate. Good luck with that. If the problem is repeatable, you might
be able to get the supervisor to observe you demonstate the problem,
and then he or she might do something about it, if not gaming might
get involved, etc. Bottom line, there are no real hard legal
violations here, they could even accuse you of card pulling. Card club
results aren't even valid for tax purposes. Personal accounting is up
to you, other than the casino has to accurately track W2G's and it has
to actively monitor for illegal cash transactions and structuring and
of course cheating. If and how the casino chooses to track you for
win/loss and player rating is optional and up to casino marketing and
internal to the casino.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@> wrote:
>
> If play points weren't recorded then I'd guess it's a slam dunk that
> the signer didn't record either? I guess you can file that W2G in
> file 13? Isn't that nice?
>
> Cheers...jeep
> .
> .
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I lost approximately 4000 points this morning when playing one of
> the
> > $1 Fifty Play machines outside of High Limits. I had just noticed
> the
> > total points before hitting a taxable. When I pulled the card and
> put
> > it into another machine, about 4000 points were gone. A
> supervisor
> > looked up my play in the computer but said there was no record of
> the
> > points or the associated $36,000 coin-in. Subsequent play
> registered
> > and points travelled between machines so I am not opptimistic the
> play
> > will ever show, but will report after my next visit if it
> reappears.
> > Occurances such as this always make me question my wisdom in
> playing
> > games such as this which have razor thin margins including Free
> Play
> > and POSSIBLE bounce back.
> >
>
I can't believe that some of you guys actually thought I was serious.
In my mind it's the "Isn't that nice?" that I thought was the tip
off. I guess it's another one of those....Ya gotta post in bold
letters at end of post; IM NOT SERIOUS. Only a moron would ignore a
hard copy of a W2G that is signed and copies kept by casino. However,
it wouldn't be the first time I have been accused of being a moron.
Sorry for confusion.
On the other hand it's a good point when talking about gambling diary.
The casino win loss record can be wrong for more reasons than just
failing to use player card. Only a hand written, neat and
contemporaneous diary seems to be best record for win loss records. Of
course, Sam also mentions machine numbers played and even suggests we
make notes on time and who may have been in the gambling joint when
you we were playing. Of course I'm not an espert. I always welcome
suggestions from you and the other experts here.
Cheers...Jeep
.
.
<<If play points weren't recorded then I'd guess it's a slam dunk
that
the signer didn't record either? I guess you can file that W2G in
file 13? Isn't that nice?>>I wouldn't think that these two things are connected. I would NOT
ignore
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
this W2G and not show it on your tax return.
________________
Jean $¢ott
The much-expanded new edition of my tax book,
including a new chapter on poker, is now available
to order at my Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.
Jeep:
The vpFREE Administer posted the following: "When posting
Tongue-in-Cheek messages, please indicate in the subject
line or early in the message that it is a spoof."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/76258
According to the Administrator's request, your disclaimer
("IM NOT SERIOUS") should have been in the subject line or
early in the message - not at the end of the email. That would
prevent someone from thinking you were serious or
responding as if it were a serious post.
Of course, that's just a suggestion.
~LUKE~
···
On 12/25/07, whitejeeps <whitejeeps@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't believe that some of you guys actually thought I was serious.
In my mind it's the "Isn't that nice?" that I thought was the tip
off. I guess it's another one of those....Ya gotta post in bold
letters at end of post; IM NOT SERIOUS. Only a moron would ignore a
hard copy of a W2G that is signed and copies kept by casino. However,
it wouldn't be the first time I have been accused of being a moron.
Sorry for confusion.On the other hand it's a good point when talking about gambling diary.
The casino win loss record can be wrong for more reasons than just
failing to use player card. Only a hand written, neat and
contemporaneous diary seems to be best record for win loss records. Of
course, Sam also mentions machine numbers played and even suggests we
make notes on time and who may have been in the gambling joint when
you we were playing. Of course I'm not an espert. I always welcome
suggestions from you and the other experts here.Cheers...Jeep
.
.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
>
> <<If play points weren't recorded then I'd guess it's a slam dunk
that
> the signer didn't record either? I guess you can file that W2G in
> file 13? Isn't that nice?>>
>
> I wouldn't think that these two things are connected. I would NOT
ignore
> this W2G and not show it on your tax return.
>
> ________________
> Jean $¢ott
> The much-expanded new edition of my tax book,
> including a new chapter on poker, is now available
> to order at my Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.
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