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Wynn locals Free Play ELIMINATED

Locals received a letter in Dec. saying starting in 2007 promotions would be
this week, presumably the start of a new free play "month" I phoned the Red
Club and was told that there would be no more Free play for locals. This is
especially unfortunate since my husband and I should have received about $950
per week after large play in Dec. (Play I wouldn't have done if I'd known!).

As I told the lady at the Red Card desk who "hoped I'd be back soon," ---
No free play, no me.

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sent via email only (instead of by snail mail). When I received nothing for

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. I had some decent play in
December and was also expecting a cheerful January letter with
credits. I guess I can eliminate those expectations.

And just to rant, the female voice on every machine says "earn
cashback or comps". Am I missing something, as I thought Wynn does
not offer actual cash for point redemptions?

Locals received a letter in Dec. saying starting in 2007

promotions would be

sent via email only (instead of by snail mail). When I received

nothing for

this week, presumably the start of a new free play "month" I

phoned the Red

Club and was told that there would be no more Free play for

locals. This is

especially unfortunate since my husband and I should have

received about $950

per week after large play in Dec. (Play I wouldn't have done if

I'd known!).

As I told the lady at the Red Card desk who "hoped I'd be back

soon," ---

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@... wrote:

No free play, no me.

Locals received a letter in Dec. saying starting in 2007

promotions would be

sent via email only (instead of by snail mail). When I received

nothing for

this week, presumably the start of a new free play "month" I

phoned the Red

Club and was told that there would be no more Free play for

locals. This is

especially unfortunate since my husband and I should have

received about $950

per week after large play in Dec. (Play I wouldn't have done if

I'd known!).

As I told the lady at the Red Card desk who "hoped I'd be back

soon," ---

No free play, no me.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When people bring groups in and bankroll them to play for freeplay
this is what happens. Wynn is just too smart to let that go on.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@... wrote:

Another problem is PIN activated Free Play. Just play on the cards of
every trusted relative, friend, neighbor, coworker you can get to sign
up. They never have to show up again after obtaining a card unless you
want to let them use the comps for their "cut". Unless casinos decide
to make players show ID to collect BB or enforce players having to play
on their own cards, I see no solution for casinos other than weaker
promotions and paytables.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:

When people bring groups in and bankroll them to play for freeplay
this is what happens. Wynn is just too smart to let that go on.

Locals received a letter in Dec. saying starting in 2007 promotions

would be

sent via email only (instead of by snail mail). When I received

nothing for

this week, presumably the start of a new free play "month" I phoned

the Red

Club and was told that there would be no more Free play for locals.

  This is

especially unfortunate since my husband and I should have received

about $950

per week after large play in Dec. (Play I wouldn't have done if

I'd known!).

The last letter suggested that the promo was ending. Take a closer
look at it if you don't believe me.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@... wrote:

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paladingaming.net

You can redeem your points for free play right at the machines. That's
practically the same as actual cash but not exactly.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:

And just to rant, the female voice on every machine says "earn
cashback or comps". Am I missing something, as I thought Wynn does
not offer actual cash for point redemptions?

But the bottom line is that it is not cash I.E. genuine American
currency (not like those pesos that some pizza place is willing to
accept here in Las Vegas; or in Texas where the chain originated
from). Thus, the term "Cashback" is actually not true; in fact, some
people might consider it to be a fraud. Anyone here in Vegas knows
that if you can redeem your points for so-called cash, you get actual
money.

Furthermore, Wynn should not be allowed to use the word Bingo in its
alleged Bonus Bingo game, which certainly is not conventional bingo as
most people would know it. No doubt that it would not comply with
Nevada statutes that require games to mimic actual live games.

> And just to rant, the female voice on every machine says "earn
> cashback or comps". Am I missing something, as I thought Wynn does
> not offer actual cash for point redemptions?

You can redeem your points for free play right at the machines.

That's

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "strappo37" <Strappo37@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@> wrote:
practically the same as actual cash but not exactly.

Here we go again for another round of posts about whether electronic
games must mimic live games.

I remember a heated discussion on this group about the "Wheel of
Fortune" machines and the spin bonus. I disagreed with the people
who thought that all of the sections of the bonus wheel should have
an equal opportunity to hit just because that was the perception that
the players had. I said that anyone who thought the 1,000 section
had an equal chance of winning as the other sections was an idiot.

There are plenty of other examples in the casino. Like, the Slotto
slot machines. The ball that is revealed during the bonus round
does not come from the balls on top of the machine. Those balls
are just for show and have nothing to do with the actual win.

Of course Wynn should be allowed to use the word 'bingo" in their
bonus game. If anyone thinks that they are playing a 'real' game
of bingo is an idiot. Maybe, that's why the Nevada Gaming
Commission allows it?

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On 1/17/07, Charles <fromthevault@yahoo.com> wrote:

But the bottom line is that it is not cash I.E. genuine American
currency (not like those pesos that some pizza place is willing to
accept here in Las Vegas; or in Texas where the chain originated
from). Thus, the term "Cashback" is actually not true; in fact, some
people might consider it to be a fraud. Anyone here in Vegas knows
that if you can redeem your points for so-called cash, you get actual
money.

Furthermore, Wynn should not be allowed to use the word Bingo in its
alleged Bonus Bingo game, which certainly is not conventional bingo as
most people would know it. No doubt that it would not comply with
Nevada statutes that require games to mimic actual live games.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "strappo37" <Strappo37@...> wrote:

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@> wrote:
> > And just to rant, the female voice on every machine says "earn
> > cashback or comps". Am I missing something, as I thought Wynn does
> > not offer actual cash for point redemptions?
>
> You can redeem your points for free play right at the machines.
That's
> practically the same as actual cash but not exactly.

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Well Curtis, you throw around the term idiot with ease, but again,
the facts are that the Wynn Bonus Bingo game is not a conventional
bingo game. Thus, the term "bingo" is misleading, and whether you
like it or not, it's a fraud. Call it anything else but bingo, but
in no way is is a randowm draw of 20 numbers from an 80 number
universe.

As far as the Nevada Gaming Commission, they allow just about
everything. Laundered money; rigged contests; all receive a slap on
the wrist. If you, or anyone else, can quote a NGC revocation of
license, then you get a free bingo card at Red Rock.

Here we go again for another round of posts about whether

electronic

games must mimic live games.

I remember a heated discussion on this group about the "Wheel of
Fortune" machines and the spin bonus. I disagreed with the people
who thought that all of the sections of the bonus wheel should have
an equal opportunity to hit just because that was the perception

that

the players had. I said that anyone who thought the 1,000 section
had an equal chance of winning as the other sections was an idiot.

There are plenty of other examples in the casino. Like, the Slotto
slot machines. The ball that is revealed during the bonus round
does not come from the balls on top of the machine. Those balls
are just for show and have nothing to do with the actual win.

Of course Wynn should be allowed to use the word 'bingo" in their
bonus game. If anyone thinks that they are playing a 'real' game
of bingo is an idiot. Maybe, that's why the Nevada Gaming
Commission allows it?

>
> But the bottom line is that it is not cash I.E. genuine American
> currency (not like those pesos that some pizza place is willing

to

> accept here in Las Vegas; or in Texas where the chain originated
> from). Thus, the term "Cashback" is actually not true; in fact,

some

> people might consider it to be a fraud. Anyone here in Vegas

knows

> that if you can redeem your points for so-called cash, you get

actual

> money.
>
> Furthermore, Wynn should not be allowed to use the word Bingo in

its

> alleged Bonus Bingo game, which certainly is not conventional

bingo as

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:

On 1/17/07, Charles <fromthevault@...> wrote:
> most people would know it. No doubt that it would not comply with
> Nevada statutes that require games to mimic actual live games.
>
>

Charles, why get excited about a name.
I say, it is nice, it is free. Let's enjoy it.
Helmut

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:51 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Wynn locals Free Play ELIMINATED

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I'd call that Keno!

Drew

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:

Call it anything else but bingo, but
in no way is is a randowm draw of 20 numbers from an 80 number
universe.

You're absolutely right, Drew! That was clever.

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On 1/19/07, Drew Sterling <vpdeuces@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:
> Call it anything else but bingo, but
> in no way is is a randowm draw of 20 numbers from an 80 number
> universe.

I'd call that Keno!

Drew

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Oh, Lord. Here we go again.

Charles said, "....the Wynn Bonus Bingo game is not a conventional
bingo game. Thus, the term 'bingo' is misleading, and whether you
like it or not, it's a fraud."

So, is it just Wynn's Bingo Bonus that is misleading and fraudulent?
Or, are ALL of the other slot machines misleading and fraudulent,
if they use a game is not "conventionally" played out?

Jeeze, Charles, do you really think that the results from the dice being
tossed in the Monopoly slots are really random? Just like the symbols
on the slot reels, they are simply a representation of a pre-determined
win or loss.

Do you really think you have a 1-in-22 chance (or, whatever it is) to
win the 1,000 coin bonus on Wheel of Fortune bonus wheel?

Do you really think that the "Megabucks" symbols appear lined up
in the same frequency that they would if the slot machine were a
'conventional' slot machine?

I'm sure that there are plenty of other examples of 'conventional' games
being used by casinos, but not played out exactly the same way they
are in their 'conventional' form.

Wynn's Bonus Bingo is not fraud. What appears on the bingo
screens is only a representation of a pre-determined win or loss,
just like the symbols on the slot machine reels.

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On 1/18/07, Charles <fromthevault@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well Curtis, you throw around the term idiot with ease, but again,
the facts are that the Wynn Bonus Bingo game is not a conventional
bingo game. Thus, the term "bingo" is misleading, and whether you
like it or not, it's a fraud. Call it anything else but bingo, but
in no way is is a randowm draw of 20 numbers from an 80 number
universe.

As far as the Nevada Gaming Commission, they allow just about
everything. Laundered money; rigged contests; all receive a slap on
the wrist. If you, or anyone else, can quote a NGC revocation of
license, then you get a free bingo card at Red Rock.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
>
> Here we go again for another round of posts about whether
electronic
> games must mimic live games.
>
> I remember a heated discussion on this group about the "Wheel of
> Fortune" machines and the spin bonus. I disagreed with the people
> who thought that all of the sections of the bonus wheel should have
> an equal opportunity to hit just because that was the perception
that
> the players had. I said that anyone who thought the 1,000 section
> had an equal chance of winning as the other sections was an idiot.
>
> There are plenty of other examples in the casino. Like, the Slotto
> slot machines. The ball that is revealed during the bonus round
> does not come from the balls on top of the machine. Those balls
> are just for show and have nothing to do with the actual win.
>
> Of course Wynn should be allowed to use the word 'bingo" in their
> bonus game. If anyone thinks that they are playing a 'real' game
> of bingo is an idiot. Maybe, that's why the Nevada Gaming
> Commission allows it?
>
>
> On 1/17/07, Charles <fromthevault@...> wrote:
> >
> > But the bottom line is that it is not cash I.E. genuine American
> > currency (not like those pesos that some pizza place is willing
to
> > accept here in Las Vegas; or in Texas where the chain originated
> > from). Thus, the term "Cashback" is actually not true; in fact,
some
> > people might consider it to be a fraud. Anyone here in Vegas
knows
> > that if you can redeem your points for so-called cash, you get
actual
> > money.
> >
> > Furthermore, Wynn should not be allowed to use the word Bingo in
its
> > alleged Bonus Bingo game, which certainly is not conventional
bingo as
> > most people would know it. No doubt that it would not comply with
> > Nevada statutes that require games to mimic actual live games.

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"Curtis Rich" wrote:

Do you really think that the "Megabucks" symbols appear lined up
in the same frequency that they would if the slot machine were a
'conventional' slot machine?

I believe that the Megabucks slot machines operate using the same
virtual reel technology that all current slot manufacturers use for
slot machines. On virtual reel slot machines the number of times a
given symbol appears on the physical reel has absolutely no bearing
on how frequently that symbol will appear as a component of a machine
payout. The percentage returned by this type of slot machine is
quite difficult to determine.

If by saying 'conventional' Curtis refers to the much older physical
reel technology, then his above statement has more relevance. On
this type of slot machine if a symbol appears as 1 of 25 reel symbols
then it willl appear with that frequency on the payline(s). A
thorough observation of the physical reels will produce an exact
frequency for each payout and from that the percentage return of the
machine can be determined.

G'luck all!

Correct. My use of the word 'conventional' referred to the non-virtual
reel technology. Primarily, because there are so many people out
there that have no idea how virtual reels work, they think that the
odds of lining up winning symbols are better than they really are.

My point is that, because of this misunderstanding, even virtual
reels could be considered "misleading" or "fraud" by some people
because they do not act in the conventional manner as most people
would know it.

The whole concept of games being fraudulent, just because some
people may interpret them incorrectly, amazes me.

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On 1/19/07, ederekf_lv <lvgamb00ler@cox.net> wrote:

"Curtis Rich" wrote:
> Do you really think that the "Megabucks" symbols appear lined up
> in the same frequency that they would if the slot machine were a
> 'conventional' slot machine?

I believe that the Megabucks slot machines operate using the same
virtual reel technology that all current slot manufacturers use for
slot machines. On virtual reel slot machines the number of times a
given symbol appears on the physical reel has absolutely no bearing
on how frequently that symbol will appear as a component of a machine
payout. The percentage returned by this type of slot machine is
quite difficult to determine.

If by saying 'conventional' Curtis refers to the much older physical
reel technology, then his above statement has more relevance. On
this type of slot machine if a symbol appears as 1 of 25 reel symbols
then it willl appear with that frequency on the payline(s). A
thorough observation of the physical reels will produce an exact
frequency for each payout and from that the percentage return of the
machine can be determined.

G'luck all!

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Linda , I'm a tourist - NOT a local. What type of rewards do the 4 "locals" machines earn, you know those machines with the 99.9% and higher payoffs ?
PS - I have played these before, and the best offer I got from Wynn was the special price of $699 for a Friday, Sat, Sunday stay !

Linda , I'm a tourist - NOT a local. What type of rewards do the 4

"locals"

Me too!

machines earn, you know those machines with the 99.9% and higher

payoffs ?

PS - I have played these before, and the best offer I got from Wynn

was the

special price of $699 for a Friday, Sat, Sunday stay !

My wife and I stayed there 5 times in 2006, none of which were on
offers. I'd guesstimate $100K coin in would earn us about $200 knocked
off our bill at checkout. We've never gotten tempting offers from
casino marketing. I did get more than my fair share of royals last
year (all but one on the full pay machines) though, so they may have
me tagged as a skilled player.

Mike

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote: