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Wynn Jacks (9/6/90 JoB)

#1

Private email to vpFREE Administrator:

I just returned from a five day vacation, during which I played one
night at WYNN. I found 4 MG/MD ($.25/$.50/$1) that contained a
variation of 9/6 JOB that pays 450 for the SF, instead of 250. All
other pays were the same as usual. According to WinPoker, the return on
the game is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43. I did not check the
other games on those machines. The machines were located across from
Red 8 and Lure.

We checked this out today and confirm that all of the
25c/50c/$1 JoB on the (9) new machines @ Wynn LV
pay 450 for a SF.

ER is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.

vpFREE Administrator

#2

And playing that with a plain JoB strategy only costs 0.015% compared
to the perfect play. I'm too lazy to figure out the variance.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

JBQ

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On 8/26/05, vpFREE <vpFREE@cox.net> wrote:

ER is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.

#3

Private email to vpFREE Administrator:

> I just returned from a five day vacation, during which I played one
> night at WYNN. I found 4 MG/MD ($.25/$.50/$1) that contained a
> variation of 9/6 JOB that pays 450 for the SF, instead of 250. All
> other pays were the same as usual. According to WinPoker, the

return on

> the game is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.

So what will we call these. APJoB?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

#4

> > I just returned from a five day vacation, during which I played one
> > night at WYNN. I found 4 MG/MD ($.25/$.50/$1) that contained a
> > variation of 9/6 JOB that pays 450 for the SF, instead of 250. All
> > other pays were the same as usual. According to WinPoker, the
> > return on the game is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.

So what will we call these. APJoB?

I have a novel idea <G>. Why don't we do a poll?

Rules: 2 day poll restricted to first 25 entries, maximum of one
entry per member, The entry that receives the most votes wins.

Current entries:

1. 9/6/90 JoB

2. BJOB

Nominations are now open.

As soon as we have 23 more entries, or the spigot runs dry,
we'll start the voting.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 27 Aug 2005 at 2:49, deuceswild1000 wrote:

#5

These machines have been in place for two weeks and FINALLY someone
notices the jacks pay 90 for a SF! Shame on all you who sat at these
machines and didn't notice.

TBFlorida

Private email to vpFREE Administrator:

> I just returned from a five day vacation, during which I played one
> night at WYNN. I found 4 MG/MD ($.25/$.50/$1) that contained a
> variation of 9/6 JOB that pays 450 for the SF, instead of 250. All
> other pays were the same as usual. According to WinPoker, the

return on

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

> the game is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43. I did not check the
> other games on those machines. The machines were located across from
> Red 8 and Lure.

We checked this out today and confirm that all of the
25c/50c/$1 JoB on the (9) new machines @ Wynn LV
pay 450 for a SF.

ER is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.

vpFREE Administrator

#6

ok...the naming of these games needs to be standardized rather than
trying to give a unique name to every version that comes along...my
suggestion for all games would be:

nsud 15/11

job 9/6/90

you use the normally accepted abbrev for the game followed by the part
of the paytable that makes it unique...seems much more useful than
trying to recall all the names...after all microsoft doesn't rename
word for every version they release...

#7

are any strategy changes warranted due to the 450 SF?

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On 8/26/05, vpFREE <vpFREE@cox.net> wrote:

We checked this out today and confirm that all of the
25c/50c/$1 JoB on the (9) new machines @ Wynn LV
pay 450 for a SF.

ER is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.

vpFREE Administrator

#8

Yes.

Systematic analysis shows that perfect 9/6/90 pays 99.996%, but
"regular" strategy pays 99.981%, so obviously there are some
adjustments.

There's a 1-in-47 chance of completing a 4ISF, 2-in-47 for a 4OSF.
That should bring 4ISF above S, and might also bring 4OSF above 4F
(possibly with some penalty card situations).

There's a 1-in-1081 chance of completing a 3SF with 2 gaps, 2-in-1081
with 1 gap and 3-in-1081 for 3SF with 0 gaps, raising the values of
those hands by 0.037, 0.074 and 0.111. That should bring 3SF, 0 hi 2
gaps above single high cards, and the other cases of 3SF will be
affected (e.g. 3SF, 0 hi 0 gaps probably beats 4OS).

Those are basic guesses, your favorite VP software will give you all
the gory details.

JBQ

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On 8/27/05, fieldcommand <fieldcommand@gmail.com> wrote:

are any strategy changes warranted due to the 450 SF?

#9

That's 0.015%, or, 15 cents per $1,000 bet, if i am counting on my
fingers correctly.

bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Baptiste Queru <jbqueru@g...>
wrote:

Yes.

Systematic analysis shows that perfect 9/6/90 pays 99.996%, but

"regular" strategy pays 99.981%

#10

ok...the naming of these games needs to be standardized rather

than

trying to give a unique name to every version that comes

along...my

suggestion for all games would be:

nsud 15/11

job 9/6/90

you use the normally accepted abbrev for the game followed by the

part

of the paytable that makes it unique...seems much more useful than
trying to recall all the names...after all microsoft doesn't

rename

word for every version they release...

Could not have said it better. Think of the poor newbie. Make it a
numerical description like most of the others.

DWK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "irdd3000" <irdd@n...> wrote:

#11

I believe these were installed at the same time that the FPDW was removed.
If not, shame on me!

lizurdlips wrote:

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These machines have been in place for two weeks and FINALLY someone
notices the jacks pay 90 for a SF! Shame on all you who sat at these
machines and didn't notice.

TBFlorida

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

Private email to vpFREE Administrator:

I just returned from a five day vacation, during which I played one
night at WYNN. I found 4 MG/MD ($.25/$.50/$1) that contained a
variation of 9/6 JOB that pays 450 for the SF, instead of 250. All
other pays were the same as usual. According to WinPoker, the

#12

I understand how to utilize 'expected return ' data and understand
the basics of how variance affects bankrolll and goinge broke but I
don';t know how to apply specific variance numbers. For example, it
seems that the JOB's at Wynn have a 20.1 vriance. How can I use that?
What's the normal JOB variance for single play, triple pay, five
play etc. My computer is blocked from the other vp sites that have
this info - thank you for any help.

These machines have been in place for two weeks and FINALLY someone
notices the jacks pay 90 for a SF! Shame on all you who sat at these
machines and didn't notice.

TBFlorida

> Private email to vpFREE Administrator:
>
> > I just returned from a five day vacation, during which I played

one

> > night at WYNN. I found 4 MG/MD ($.25/$.50/$1) that contained a
> > variation of 9/6 JOB that pays 450 for the SF, instead of 250.

All

> > other pays were the same as usual. According to WinPoker, the
return on
> > the game is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43. I did not

check the

> > other games on those machines. The machines were located

across from

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lizurdlips" <lizurdlips@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
> > Red 8 and Lure.
>
> We checked this out today and confirm that all of the
> 25c/50c/$1 JoB on the (9) new machines @ Wynn LV
> pay 450 for a SF.
>
> ER is 99.9962%, with a variance of 20.43.
>
> vpFREE Administrator

#13

I understand how to utilize 'expected return ' data and understand the
basics of how variance affects bankrolll and goinge broke but I don';t
know how to apply specific variance numbers. For example, it seems that
the JOB's at Wynn have a 20.1 vriance. How can I use that?

You can use variance numbers to get an indication of the
relative volatility of video poker games. You can also use
it as an input factor for several bankroll programs and links:
<http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Bank.htm>.

What's the normal JOB variance for single play,

19.5

triple pay, five play etc.

Higher than SL.

See the "Jazbo's Analysis of N-Play VP" link on the above url.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 28 Aug 2005 at 22:23, bedioyscans2000 wrote:

#14

This simplistic answer is not correct (I think).

My understanding is that if you look at it one way, the multi-line game has a
HIGHER vaiance; if you look at it another way it has LOWER variance.

Am I correct in my thinking this?

I am not mathematically adept enough to anwer this properly. Perhaps
someone would like to take a stab at answering this thing clearly (and
properly).

Thanks!

bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

On 28 Aug 2005 at 22:23, bedioyscans2000 wrote:

> What's the normal JOB variance for single play,

19.5

> triple pay, five play etc.

Higher than SL.

See the "Jazbo's Analysis of N-Play VP" link on the above url.

#15

Per bet variance, the one that counts, is reduced for multiplays:

JOB per bet variance = 2 + 17.5/N (N= number of multiplays)

>
> > What's the normal JOB variance for single play,
>
> 19.5
>
>
> > triple pay, five play etc.
>
> Higher than SL.
>
> See the "Jazbo's Analysis of N-Play VP" link on the above url.

This simplistic answer is not correct (I think).

My understanding is that if you look at it one way, the multi-line

game has a

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2005 at 22:23, bedioyscans2000 wrote:
HIGHER vaiance; if you look at it another way it has LOWER variance.

Am I correct in my thinking this?

I am not mathematically adept enough to anwer this properly. Perhaps
someone would like to take a stab at answering this thing clearly (and
properly).

Thanks!

bl

#16

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <
nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:

Per bet variance, the one that counts, is reduced for multiplays:

JOB per bet variance = 2 + 17.5/N (N= number of multiplays)

So, this means that the following statements are true?

Playing 5-line JOB nickels has a lower variance than 1-line JOB quarters,
since both have a "bet" of $1.25.

Playing 4-line JOB quarters has a lower variance that 1-line JOB dollars,
since both have a "bet" of $5.

.....bl

#17

Yes.

bornloser1537 wrote:

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So, this means that the following statements are true?

Playing 5-line JOB nickels has a lower variance than 1-line JOB quarters, since both have a "bet" of $1.25.

Playing 4-line JOB quarters has a lower variance that 1-line JOB dollars, since both have a "bet" of $5.

.....bl

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#18

In addition to Jazbo, the Wizard of Odds (Michael Shackleford) goes through
the computation of variance in some detail with some sample problems (with
answers).

http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/appendix3.html

Going through the 10 sample problems given there, you build up the
expertise of plugging into the formulae and then have the ability to compute
the variance (for 3 different games) for any number of hands of multiple line
VP that you may be interested in.

bl

#19

> > What's the normal JOB variance for single play,

vpFREE replied:

> 19.5

> > triple pay, five play etc.

> Higher than SL.

> See the "Jazbo's Analysis of N-Play VP" link on the above url.

This simplistic answer is not correct (I think).

The answer is correct if we're talking about the variance of
SL @ X denomination versus MLs @ the same X
denomination, as I was, and as I believe the questioner
was, and as Jazbo does in his paragraph on variance in
the cited url where he says " ... if you play the same game
in a 4-play version, then the variance will be higher ..." -
which I used as a basis for my reply.

Of course, if we're talking about the per bet variance, which
we weren't, and it appears that you are, then variance is lower
for ML than for SL.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 29 Aug 2005 at 17:32, bornloser1537 wrote:

#20

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <

nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:
> Per bet variance, the one that counts, is reduced for multiplays:
>
> JOB per bet variance = 2 + 17.5/N (N= number of multiplays)

So, this means that the following statements are true?

Playing 5-line JOB nickels has a lower variance than 1-line JOB quarters,
since both have a "bet" of $1.25.

Correct. The variance is reduced by a factor of sqrt(5).

Playing 4-line JOB quarters has a lower variance that 1-line JOB dollars,
since both have a "bet" of $5.

Correct. The variance is reduced by a factor of two = sqrt(4).

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On Monday 29 August 2005 11:52 am, bornloser1537 wrote: