I would like to start off by saying this is my first time posting so, go easy on me. I may not do it the correct way.
I have a concern that I feel needs to be addressed. My concern is the cashing of free play in casinos that only have a few playable machines. We need to keep the par on the playable machines on the casinos side so they will keep the pay tables the same and not downgrade them. I noticed the other day a ton of pros were all cashing off their free play on the same few machines near the end of the cash out period. We need these machines in order to earn the free play. If every one cashes off their free play on the same few machines, then the machines will show a loss for the casino and we all know what this means. I'm just asking that we all think of taking a bit less on our free play in order to conserve the better pay machines for earning the free play.
Wrong way to play free play
I understand your concern about this matter.
I'm not sure how the casinos classify the downloading of freeplay to a machine. If they count it the same as cash deposited into the machine, then you have less reason to be concerned. The machine's net win/loss will be highly correlated to the actual payback of the game(s) on that machine.
If on the other hand the casinos don't include the downloaded freeplay as cash deposited then the machine's win/loss will be very skewed if a lot of freeplay is played upon it.
I tend to think the casinos will use the first method because it more closely parallels the real world and allows the casino to do more accurate accounting. They would simply view the freeplay downloaded as being charged against the marketing efforts and the machine win/loss would more accurately reflect the gambling operations actual results.
But... when it comes to casino operations...I pretty much know nothing... just like some of the casino bosses 
G'luck all,
Gamb00ler
skullsandsilver wrote:
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I would like to start off by saying this is my first time posting so, go easy on me. I may not do it the correct way.
I have a concern that I feel needs to be addressed. My concern is the cashing of free play in casinos that only have a few playable machines. We need to keep the par on the playable machines on the casinos side so they will keep the pay tables the same and not downgrade them. I noticed the other day a ton of pros were all cashing off their free play on the same few machines near the end of the cash out period. We need these machines in order to earn the free play. If every one cashes off their free play on the same few machines, then the machines will show a loss for the casino and we all know what this means. I'm just asking that we all think of taking a bit less on our free play in order to conserve the better pay machines for earning the free play.
Either way would be stupid (so what else is new?:-))
But you have a good question and concern.
Dave in Boston
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gamb00ler" <gamb00ler@...> wrote:
I understand your concern about this matter.
I'm not sure how the casinos classify the downloading of freeplay to a machine. If they count it the same as cash deposited into the machine, then you have less reason to be concerned. The machine's net win/loss will be highly correlated to the actual payback of the game(s) on that machine.
Without knowing the details, I'd think that the pros you see using those machines to play the freeplay are also using those machines to put in the coin-in required to earn the freeplay, because those would be the best games to play.
I'm not sure that "if too many people play it, the casino will take it away" is a good enough reason to avoid a machine. (Although, that would be a good reason to keep from talking about the machine in a public manner...but that's another topic)
However, always playing the same machine can eventually bring some heat on a player. This is especially true if that one machine is finally tagged as a money looser by the casino, because it isn't hard to imagine a casino researching play the history of the machine and then the history of the players who put in a high volume of play on that machine.
My advice would not be to avoid the good machine. Instead, I'd say be sure to put in some cover play on a lesser machine. Sure, this will eat into your short term profits, but it can leader to higher profits in the long term. It may keep you from getting backed off or from getting blacklisted from future offers. Plus, there is always a chance that the cover play will trigger an offer targeted to slot donks, which you otherwise wouldn't have received.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "skullsandsilver" <skullsandsilver@...> wrote:
I would like to start off by saying this is my first time posting so, go easy on me. I may not do it the correct way.
I have a concern that I feel needs to be addressed. My concern is the cashing of free play in casinos that only have a few playable machines. We need to keep the par on the playable machines on the casinos side so they will keep the pay tables the same and not downgrade them. I noticed the other day a ton of pros were all cashing off their free play on the same few machines near the end of the cash out period. We need these machines in order to earn the free play. If every one cashes off their free play on the same few machines, then the machines will show a loss for the casino and we all know what this means. I'm just asking that we all think of taking a bit less on our free play in order to conserve the better pay machines for earning the free play.