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Would Y ou Play This 244% Return Game?

#1

I don't know if you guys have this game in Vegas or not, but we
have it here in Detroit. It's called "Triple Trouble Bonus Poker" and
it's found at the MGM Grand. Check out this pay scale:

4000 RF
250 SF
1000 4-ACES
200 4-2,3,4s
125 4-5-K
  40 FH
  25 FL
  20 ST
  10 3
   5 2P
   5 J's

   This is the worst video poker game that I have ever come across in
all my years of playing. It has a 81.48% return with perfect play.
And you can play up to fifty coins per hand if you so desire.
Yet it's a very popular game here. How is that possible, you say. Are
the VP players in Detroit that stupid? What's the catch?
   Yes, there is a catch. While playing this horrible game, and
probably losing, randomly, the pay scale triples for the hand you last
played and three more and then it returns back to normal. When in the
bonus round, the pay scale looks like this, which has
a return of "244.44%!" Yes I said 244.44%!

12,000
3,000
   600
   375
   120
    75
    60
    30
    15
    15

   When I first saw this game it looked kind of interesting, so I
started playing one coin at a time, and using my stopwatch, tried to
get a fix on the time intervals between bonus rounds. They went from
just seconds to as long as twenty minutes.
   So, I picked ten minutes as the average and proceeded to play one
coin at a time until ten minutes came up and then I played five coins
for a minute or so, then fifteen, then twenty, and so on until the
bonus round came up.
   The problem is I hit a quad playing just one coin (Rats!) and when
I did get into the bonus round for the three hands, I didn't get
anything but a lousy pair. I quit playing it shortly thereafter.
   I've seen people play this game with max coin in and losing at a
rate that would make Bob Dancer want to throw up. I've tried to tell
some of them what a bankroll killing game this is, but to no avail.
Also, there are these urban legends of people playing max coins and
hitting the three Aces or the Royal, although nobody has ever seen or
met one who did.
   If any of you VP geniuses can come up with a better strategy for
this game, although I can't imagine how, I will pass it on to the
faithfull devotees.

   "Show me a person who is a consistent winner playing negative
expectancy games and I will show you either a liar or a cheat."
                       --VP Pappy

#2

I have played that game many times in Northern Nevada, although I
have never seen it in the 50 play version. It can be a bankroll eater
if you do not get to the bonus round, but it is a lot of fun. You
forgot to mention that the 3 hands in the bonus round are free hands,
and that is the fun of the game. Forget the stop watch. I have hit
the bonus round several times within minutes, and I have gone long
periods without the bonus round. It is truely random. I have hit
quads and one time hit the aces on the bonus round. I had a bartender
tell me that he saw a royal once on the triple bonus round, but I
don't know. For some reason, I hit quad aces on that game, and I
believe I am ahead in the long run in this one. I have no idea how
you can calculate the return of this game, but it certainly scores
high on the fun scale.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...> wrote:

   I don't know if you guys have this game in Vegas or not, but we
have it here in Detroit. It's called "Triple Trouble Bonus Poker"

#3

> I don't know if you guys have this game in Vegas or not, but

we

> have it here in Detroit. It's called "Triple Trouble Bonus Poker"

I have played that game many times in Northern Nevada, although I
have never seen it in the 50 play version. It can be a bankroll

eater

if you do not get to the bonus round, but it is a lot of fun. You
forgot to mention that the 3 hands in the bonus round are free

hands,

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...> wrote:
and that is the fun of the game.

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   You're right, I forgot to mention that the three rounds played at
the triple payback level were free, which probably changes the long-
term percentage, although I have no idea how know how to factor that
in.
   When I first played it I started hitting the max play button
without realizing that I was playing this 81.48% game at fifty
quarters (it might be forty) per hand instead of five, and soon was
out a hundred bucks before I realized it. The percentage of the
regular game is just the pay scale put into "Win Poker" and
automatically calculated.
   I'll say one thing about it, although it looks like a real loser,
when it does get into the bonus mode, it is just about the most
exciting vp game I have ever played. The possibility of hitting a
Royal or the three Aces for three times the normal pay, definitely
keeps your attention, especially if you have more than five coins in.
   I once ask Michael Shackleford (The Wizard of Odds) about this
game and he said he had never heard of it, so it can't be all that
prevalent around the country.

   Good luck--Terry Murphy & VP Pappy

   "Dreaming of a big win before you play the game is one thing. But,
playing the game without using the correct strategies is a nightmare."
                    --VP Pappy

#4

In a non regulated environment the pay table tells you NOTHING! I'll
wager a hefty sum that the manufacturer of that game is NOT licened
in Nevada, and that's a key indicator that the game is NOT random (in
effect, a cheat). As I understand it in Nevada you cannot get a
license as a machine manufacturer if you produce a non-random machine
used anywhere in the world.

In the indian casinos here in Washington State there are MANY VP
machines with pay tables indicating paybacks of 125% or more, but
they are non-random, off-brand machines and produce ACTUAL paybacks
in the 75-85% range in all likelihood. On these machines the payout
on your wager is determined when you START the hand. For example, if
you are dealt 3 of a kind for, say, at least a 3-1 payout (before
drawing), even if you throw away the hand you will get another hand
with the same payout!

In short, forget strategies in a non-regulated environment - the only
good strategy is to NOT PLAY.

   I don't know if you guys have this game in Vegas or not, but we
have it here in Detroit. It's called "Triple Trouble Bonus Poker"

and

it's found at the MGM Grand. Check out this pay scale:

4000 RF
250 SF
1000 4-ACES
200 4-2,3,4s
125 4-5-K
  40 FH
  25 FL
  20 ST
  10 3
   5 2P
   5 J's

   This is the worst video poker game that I have ever come across

in

all my years of playing. It has a 81.48% return with perfect play.
And you can play up to fifty coins per hand if you so desire.
Yet it's a very popular game here. How is that possible, you say.

Are

the VP players in Detroit that stupid? What's the catch?
   Yes, there is a catch. While playing this horrible game, and
probably losing, randomly, the pay scale triples for the hand you

last

played and three more and then it returns back to normal. When in

the

bonus round, the pay scale looks like this, which has
a return of "244.44%!" Yes I said 244.44%!

12,000
3,000
   600
   375
   120
    75
    60
    30
    15
    15

   When I first saw this game it looked kind of interesting, so I
started playing one coin at a time, and using my stopwatch, tried

to

get a fix on the time intervals between bonus rounds. They went

from

just seconds to as long as twenty minutes.
   So, I picked ten minutes as the average and proceeded to play

one

coin at a time until ten minutes came up and then I played five

coins

for a minute or so, then fifteen, then twenty, and so on until the
bonus round came up.
   The problem is I hit a quad playing just one coin (Rats!) and

when

I did get into the bonus round for the three hands, I didn't get
anything but a lousy pair. I quit playing it shortly thereafter.
   I've seen people play this game with max coin in and losing at a
rate that would make Bob Dancer want to throw up. I've tried to

tell

some of them what a bankroll killing game this is, but to no avail.
Also, there are these urban legends of people playing max coins and
hitting the three Aces or the Royal, although nobody has ever seen

or

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...> wrote:

met one who did.
   If any of you VP geniuses can come up with a better strategy for
this game, although I can't imagine how, I will pass it on to the
faithfull devotees.

   "Show me a person who is a consistent winner playing negative
expectancy games and I will show you either a liar or a cheat."
                       --VP Pappy

#5

In a non regulated environment the pay table tells you NOTHING!

I'll

wager a hefty sum that the manufacturer of that game is NOT licened
in Nevada, and that's a key indicator that the game is NOT random

(in

effect, a cheat). As I understand it in Nevada you cannot get a
license as a machine manufacturer if you produce a non-random

machine

used anywhere in the world.

The manufacturer of the triple trouble poker is Ballys. I have played
that game in at least 3 different Nevada casinos in the Lake Tahoe
area. They can be found in some gamemakers machines. I certainly hope
these machines are licenced for Nevada. I have also found the game,
triple trouble keno game that seems to be vary popular in Northern
Nevada. This video keno game works much the same way in that you will
get 3 free games with triple payoffs. Another correction about the
payoff on the poker game - when you hit the bonus round, you are paid
15 (on a 5 coin play) plus any payoff of that hand. The next 3 games
are paid triple, and are free games.

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