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Woodbine Trip Report (August 27, 2007)

You guys think you have it rough, here on the wet coast (Vancouver) 7/5
JOB gameking is the only VP game I can even find. It's not even worth
playing. They also have a double bonus game on the game king but the
payout is even worse, its like 5/4 and only pays 1:1 on 2 pairs. I would
kill to sit down at a full pay JOB machine in the lower mainland.

Brandon

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From: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpFREE_Can…@…com] On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:16 AM
To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] Re: Woodbine Trip Report (August 27, 2007)

--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Canada%40yahoogroups.com> , "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@...>
wrote:

On Monday, August 27, 2007 Woodbine reached their maximum weekly
distribution of "Cash Your Stash" scratch cards. Yet another example
of a "promotion gone bad". I wasn't able to get a free meal or even
a "free small gift". Therefore, my trip was rather pointless. One of
the old cashier window centres has been closed and replaced with
about 8 slot machines.

One thing I noticed: a group of about 12 $1 Game King machines with
6/5 JOB and 10/8 Bonus (2 pair pays even money). The payoff on the
6/5 JOB is 95% and the 10/8 bonus is about 94.5% WITH PERFECT PLAY.
At 8:00 in the evening, all of the machines were unoccupied! I
understand if Woodbine doesn't want to offer full pay Pick'em
anymore. I even understand if Woodbine doesn't want to offer 9/6 JOB.
But, come on! Does Woodbine intentionally try to have crappy video
poker? What's the point of having 6/5 JOB if nobody plays it? Would
it kill them to offer 8/5, for instance? A Tai Pan bus to Casino Rama
costs $5. If I go to Rama, wager $5 on a $1 7/6 JOB machine and get
ONE full house or ONE flush, my trip is paid for!

The Game King machines are starting to get old. Hopefully, Woodbine
will get a clue and replace them with something half decent.

I hope this has been informative. Replies appreciated.

Hi djmcosmo,

I'm at Woodbine often and I agree with what you're saying. I've
collected a lot of these "Cash Your Stash" tickets but have not
redeemed any simply because I could not be bothered to wait an hour or
more in a line-up that runs from here to the moon. I'm not that
desperate for a few dollars and some "small" or "large" gift. With the
popularity of such a promotion you'd think they'd set up a few areas
in the casino where people could redeem their tickets.

The 6/5 Jacks or Better is a complete rip-off. There is a $5.00 7/5
Game King Jacks or Better that returns 96.1% but this, too, is a
rip-off and should be avoided. The $0.25 Jacks or Better are the only
machines I see people consistently playing. And that's because these
folks obviously don't know any better. They don't know anything about
pay tables, return percentages, perfect play strategy, etc. And thus I
suppose the casino continues to make money off these people.

Really, the only video poker worth playing (and the only one I play at
Woodbine) is the $5.00 Pick'em Poker, which is the only full pay
Pick'em left, I believe. It returns 99.9% and when combined with your
slot card comes close, or is slightly over 100%. But Pick'em is a
highly volatile game and can quickly eat your bankroll--especially the
$5.00 denomination.

Hi Brandon,

How about Alberta? I hear they have some fairly decent casinos but I
have no idea how good any of their VP is. I don't know if there is
anyone here who could shed some light on this.

--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Macmillan"
<brandon@...> wrote:

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You guys think you have it rough, here on the wet coast (Vancouver) 7/5
JOB gameking is the only VP game I can even find. It's not even worth
playing. They also have a double bonus game on the game king but the
payout is even worse, its like 5/4 and only pays 1:1 on 2 pairs. I would
kill to sit down at a full pay JOB machine in the lower mainland.

Brandon

________________________________

From: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpFREE_Can…@…com] On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:16 AM
To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] Re: Woodbine Trip Report (August 27, 2007)

--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Canada%40yahoogroups.com> , "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@>
wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 27, 2007 Woodbine reached their maximum weekly
> distribution of "Cash Your Stash" scratch cards. Yet another example
> of a "promotion gone bad". I wasn't able to get a free meal or even
> a "free small gift". Therefore, my trip was rather pointless. One of
> the old cashier window centres has been closed and replaced with
> about 8 slot machines.
>
> One thing I noticed: a group of about 12 $1 Game King machines with
> 6/5 JOB and 10/8 Bonus (2 pair pays even money). The payoff on the
> 6/5 JOB is 95% and the 10/8 bonus is about 94.5% WITH PERFECT PLAY.
> At 8:00 in the evening, all of the machines were unoccupied! I
> understand if Woodbine doesn't want to offer full pay Pick'em
> anymore. I even understand if Woodbine doesn't want to offer 9/6 JOB.
> But, come on! Does Woodbine intentionally try to have crappy video
> poker? What's the point of having 6/5 JOB if nobody plays it? Would
> it kill them to offer 8/5, for instance? A Tai Pan bus to Casino Rama
> costs $5. If I go to Rama, wager $5 on a $1 7/6 JOB machine and get
> ONE full house or ONE flush, my trip is paid for!
>
> The Game King machines are starting to get old. Hopefully, Woodbine
> will get a clue and replace them with something half decent.
>
> I hope this has been informative. Replies appreciated.
>

Hi djmcosmo,

I'm at Woodbine often and I agree with what you're saying. I've
collected a lot of these "Cash Your Stash" tickets but have not
redeemed any simply because I could not be bothered to wait an hour or
more in a line-up that runs from here to the moon. I'm not that
desperate for a few dollars and some "small" or "large" gift. With the
popularity of such a promotion you'd think they'd set up a few areas
in the casino where people could redeem their tickets.

The 6/5 Jacks or Better is a complete rip-off. There is a $5.00 7/5
Game King Jacks or Better that returns 96.1% but this, too, is a
rip-off and should be avoided. The $0.25 Jacks or Better are the only
machines I see people consistently playing. And that's because these
folks obviously don't know any better. They don't know anything about
pay tables, return percentages, perfect play strategy, etc. And thus I
suppose the casino continues to make money off these people.

Really, the only video poker worth playing (and the only one I play at
Woodbine) is the $5.00 Pick'em Poker, which is the only full pay
Pick'em left, I believe. It returns 99.9% and when combined with your
slot card comes close, or is slightly over 100%. But Pick'em is a
highly volatile game and can quickly eat your bankroll--especially the
$5.00 denomination.

Thank you for your reply.

The main point of my message was that since players can easily get to
9/6 JOB at one casino (Rama), why the heck does another casino
(Woodbine) still offer so many lousy machines. Woodbine used to have
full-pay Pick'em in 25c, 50c, $1, $2, and $5 denominations that were
consistently occupied with players. The funny thing is, most players
didn't play at full-coin and therefore didn't get the full-pay! Now,
most of their machines are EMPTY Game Kings with 6/5 JOB. The main
point of my message (to help the casino) was to say GET A CLUE!

I am sorry to hear that you don't have good VP. But your casinos have
an excuse (no competition, or competition ALSO has lousy VP).
Woodbine doesn't have an excuse and should get a clue.

You guys think you have it rough, here on the wet coast (Vancouver)

7/5

JOB gameking is the only VP game I can even find. It's not even

worth

playing. They also have a double bonus game on the game king but the
payout is even worse, its like 5/4 and only pays 1:1 on 2 pairs. I

would

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kill to sit down at a full pay JOB machine in the lower mainland.