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WMS (Williams) Money Fever and its variants

#1

Anyone remember this game? Hit a flush and enter "fever mode" where you
get paid credits for all cards in the suit of your original flush?

I am doing some analysis of these types of games and was wondering if
anyone remembers whether or not the player was expending his/her credits
during play of the fever round hands? Also, whether or not it was
possible to re-trigger another fever round of hands if you hit a flush
while in the fever mode.

Thanx in advance,
Linus Blankette

"In my madness, I roam the desert..."

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#2

Hi linus. I do recall seeing this game many years ago, but sorry I don't remember the specifics of your question. Another game I remember from this same console was a jacks or better type game with (at first glance) a bad pay table, but the player got paid for *all* winning combinations in a hand. In other words, with a full house you would also get paid for 3 of a kind, 2 pair, and possibly hi pair. I always wondered about the actual return of this game.

I have fond memories from playing those old WMS multi-game machines, but mainly from a different (non-VP) game that was available on many of these machines.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "linusblankette" <linus7575@...> wrote:

Anyone remember this game? Hit a flush and enter "fever mode" where you
get paid credits for all cards in the suit of your original flush?

#3

The latter game used to be kings (or aces) as a high pair. (The new jacks+
versions only push on 2 small pair and are poor return games.) Frugal VP
contains a few versions of this in the base games. Not shown were the
versions that used to exist in the Chicago Area. (But can be handled by
Frugal VP) The Kings or better game with 7 (actually 12 or 13) for the full
house was 99.52% if the SF paid 50 (actually 59) and 100.24% if the SF paid
100 (actually 109). Both of these were available in the Chicago Area and
they also contained a 100.4+% BJ game.

Note: "Money Fever's" name was changed to "Bonus Flush" on later versions of
the game and in non-bonus mode had the largest % of losing hands of any vp
game (78%+) since it was a two pair game and you held all 3 flushes over a
pair and never redrew as you would hold a 2 flush with 5 odd cards.

Also early versions of these WMs games apparently had an "Easter egg" that
allowed cheating on the double up feature.

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eecounter
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:32 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: WMS (Williams) Money Fever and its variants

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"linusblankette" <linus7575@...> wrote:

Anyone remember this game? Hit a flush and enter "fever mode" where you
get paid credits for all cards in the suit of your original flush?

Hi linus. I do recall seeing this game many years ago, but sorry I don't
remember the specifics of your question. Another game I remember from this
same console was a jacks or better type game with (at first glance) a bad
pay table, but the player got paid for *all* winning combinations in a hand.
In other words, with a full house you would also get paid for 3 of a kind, 2
pair, and possibly hi pair. I always wondered about the actual return of
this game.

I have fond memories from playing those old WMS multi-game machines, but
mainly from a different (non-VP) game that was available on many of these
machines.

EE

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#4

Those are still around in lottery markets, such as Oregon. The player is
placing a wager for every hand in the fever mode. Hope this helps.

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On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM, linusblankette <linus7575@yahoo.com> wrote:

Anyone remember this game? Hit a flush and enter "fever mode" where you
get paid credits for all cards in the suit of your original flush?

I am doing some analysis of these types of games and was wondering if
anyone remembers whether or not the player was expending his/her credits
during play of the fever round hands? Also, whether or not it was
possible to re-trigger another fever round of hands if you hit a flush
while in the fever mode.

Thanx in advance,
Linus Blankette

"In my madness, I roam the desert..."

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#5

Dan Paymar analyzed the Williams version of this game in Video Poker Times sometime in the late 1990's. He even published the strategy. I would suggest you contact him. He would probably be willing to send you a copy of the newsletter. For a charge, of course, but it would save you a lot of hassle.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "linusblankette" <linus7575@...> wrote:

Anyone remember this game? Hit a flush and enter "fever mode" where you get paid credits for all cards in the suit of your original flush? I am doing some analysis of these types of games and was wondering if anyone remembers whether or not the player was expending his/her credits during play of the fever round hands? Also, whether or not it was possible to re-trigger another fever round of hands if you hit a flush while in the fever mode.

Thanx in advance,
Linus Blankette

#6

I think the state of video poker today suggests that this long forgotten game needs to be taken a look at again. Besides Bonus Flush, I've seen variants of the game called Hot Flush and Flush Fever. And these variants are found on machines not manufactured by Williams. Even IGT has a version.

I don't trust my memory here but the best I can remember the Williams version came in at 100.4%. I passed on the game in the 1990's because there were lots of better plays around. Does anyone have the payscale for the full pay version?

I really hate that Williams moved to nine-line video. Their 3-reel game called Piggy Bankin' was my first gig in profitable machine play back in 1996. They later had other 3-reel games like X-Factor, Shopping Spree and Safecracker that offered short term positive situations. All these games were real money makers with correct strategy.

In early 1997 Williams got sued by IGT for violation of the Telnaes Patent. This caused most of the Piggy Bankin' machines to be removed before Williams could get an injunction. Williams eventually settled with IGT but it caused them to move to manufacturing nine-line video. UGH!!

The Williams early surrender video blackjack was found on their multi-game machines. The game came in at 100.4%. We played the game wherever same day cashback was offered. It was a cashcow. You got paid everyday. At 600 games per hour 9/6 Jacks has a variance of around 19. At 600 games of blackjack per hour the variance is about 3.

But if you wanted to run major cashback you used the double up feature. This greatly increased the variance but it also exponentially increased the amount of action one was running per hour. The trick was to only double up so far that you didn't have to take a hand pay and draw attention.

Which reminds me of the idiot pro at the Horseshoe. They found some IGT full pay video blackjack at one of the bars at the Horseshoe. They had the double up feature. One idiot pro kept doubling until he received a hand pay. Could you imagine what the floorpeople were thinking? How does a guy get a handpay playing video blackjack? Of course, the idiot caused the play to die a premature death.

#7

Paymar concluded that the so called 100.4% version really was not.

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Mickey
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:04 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: WMS (Williams) Money Fever and its variants

I think the state of video poker today suggests that this long forgotten
game needs to be taken a look at again. Besides Bonus Flush, I've seen
variants of the game called Hot Flush and Flush Fever. And these variants
are found on machines not manufactured by Williams. Even IGT has a version.

I don't trust my memory here but the best I can remember the Williams
version came in at 100.4%. I passed on the game in the 1990's because there
were lots of better plays around. Does anyone have the payscale for the full
pay version?

I really hate that Williams moved to nine-line video. Their 3-reel game
called Piggy Bankin' was my first gig in profitable machine play back in
1996. They later had other 3-reel games like X-Factor, Shopping Spree and
Safecracker that offered short term positive situations. All these games
were real money makers with correct strategy.

In early 1997 Williams got sued by IGT for violation of the Telnaes Patent.
This caused most of the Piggy Bankin' machines to be removed before Williams
could get an injunction. Williams eventually settled with IGT but it caused
them to move to manufacturing nine-line video. UGH!!

The Williams early surrender video blackjack was found on their multi-game
machines. The game came in at 100.4%. We played the game wherever same day
cashback was offered. It was a cashcow. You got paid everyday. At 600 games
per hour 9/6 Jacks has a variance of around 19. At 600 games of blackjack
per hour the variance is about 3.

But if you wanted to run major cashback you used the double up feature. This
greatly increased the variance but it also exponentially increased the
amount of action one was running per hour. The trick was to only double up
so far that you didn't have to take a hand pay and draw attention.

Which reminds me of the idiot pro at the Horseshoe. They found some IGT full
pay video blackjack at one of the bars at the Horseshoe. They had the double
up feature. One idiot pro kept doubling until he received a hand pay. Could
you imagine what the floorpeople were thinking? How does a guy get a handpay
playing video blackjack? Of course, the idiot caused the play to die a
premature death.

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#8

I've seen "Flush Fever" at Indian casinos, manufactured by ISDgaming. ISDgaming is a smaller company out of somewhere back east, I think maybe South Carolina. They make both Class II and Class III games, specifically for the Indian casinos. In fact, I think there is a working version of this game on their website.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

I think the state of video poker today suggests that this long forgotten game needs to be taken a look at again. Besides Bonus Flush, I've seen variants of the game called Hot Flush and Flush Fever. And these variants are found on machines not manufactured by Williams.

#9

......... But if you wanted to run major cashback you used the double up
feature. This

greatly increased the variance but it also exponentially increased the
amount of action one was running per hour. The trick was to only

double up

so far that you didn't have to take a hand pay and draw

attention............

I have been thinking about playing the double up feature on $ 9/6 JOB,
knowing it is an even money bet. Sounds intriguing. However, I have
wondered what the variance is, compared to 9/6 JOB at 19.5.

Also, since we play at Caesars' AC, I assume you earn no Reward Credits
or Tier Credits when playing double up. And, with their new one month
rule on claiming bounceback cash, that will not be a factor. So is it
worth the time and effort and increased bankroll?

Just wondering what everyone thinks......... DRA from OH

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#10

Short answer - You get no additional slot credits when you use the double up feature in VP games, therefore there is no real justification for doubling up. An increase in variance with no additional reward.

The double up on the old WMS 21 game was different. It was actually a "let it ride" feature for the following brand new hand instead of double up, and you did get the extra slot points, which was nice...

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dra_ohio" <drales@...> wrote:

I have been thinking about playing the double up feature on $ 9/6 JOB,
knowing it is an even money bet. Sounds intriguing. However, I have
wondered what the variance is, compared to 9/6 JOB at 19.5.

Also, since we play at Caesars' AC, I assume you earn no Reward Credits
or Tier Credits when playing double up. And, with their new one month
rule on claiming bounceback cash, that will not be a factor. So is it
worth the time and effort and increased bankroll?

Just wondering what everyone thinks......... DRA from OH

#11

What number did he put it on?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard W. Stern" <howard.w.stern@...> wrote:

Paymar concluded that the so called 100.4% version really was not.

#12

>
> Paymar concluded that the so called 100.4% version really was not.
>
>
What number did he put it on?

  He had it as about 1% less. Let me know if you get this.

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