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WMS Big Event video poker

Adds about 0.32% to the normal EV. Average bonus round return is about 65 and occurs on average of 32-1/7 plays (Average is every 225 seconds and the extra bet = 7 seconds. 225/7 = 32-1/7.) Works out to 5/7 of a credit for every 225 played. 5/(7*225) = 5/1575 = 1/315 = about 0.32%

I just played this new game yesterday by WMS gaming and read on-line at the company website that the extra 2 coin bet that you have to bet to be eligible for the bonus round is greater than the optimal return of the base game. Does anyone know by how much ?

I did very well on playing this game, and I really don't know if it was because most other players were not betting MAX, and they could not ever get into the bonus rounds or features, so maybe that was why I was winning maybe ???

Playing this game was like a flash back from the Flush Attack era !!!!

But you play like crazy and fast to maintain the 3 x feature on your screen and that is based on how fast you can play your hands and then once you get into the bonus rounds, all pays are tripled then and not DBL'd.

Boy it sure was fun, but it is crazy at the same time, I saw myself making more mistakes in playing so fast, but know after coming back home and thinking about it, I wonder what the difference in payoff is in this game if you go into the bonus rounds at 2 x vs 3 x pays ???

Has anyone else played this crazy game yet or know the payback return ?

-Len

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-----Original Message-----
From: len_jz
Sent: Sep 17, 2009 11:10 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] WMS Big Event video poker

Thanks for that info, it was exactly what I was looking for. The game that I was playing was standard 9/6 JOB at 99.54%, so with your calculations, the game would be around 99.86% and playable. But I'm not really sold yet on the bonus round coming out, (on AVG) every 3 minutes and 25 seconds as it is reported on the WMS gaming website. I had a very, very long stretch of no bonus rounds coming out for 20-25 minutes and that happened to me, 2 times during a 4 hour session of constant playing, and I was playing like 45-50 hands a minute. I maintained the constant level of 3x bonus play, and at that rate, you don't have time to do anything else besides play, and you are playing like 1 hand every second, or second and a half. The only time you get a little break is when the bonus round play is triggered. At one time, I was the only one playing a group of 8 linked machines, and I would think if the machines were full and being played at max, I would be better off, because I would benefit from someone else triggering the bonus round then, and it would happen more frequently. I won over $600 during a quad bonus round when my hand was multiplied by 3x, during a poker pot bonus hand, when I was dealt 4 8's, and that was my biggest win.

But that 4 to the royal bonus hand being dealt to you, and looking at 8000 coins x 3 or $6000, sure would be a nice hit for a $1.75 bet being placed. I'm just wondering if the strategy to play slower and only get the 2x multiplier to stay out during your play would be better and smarter then going all out and playing so fast, and making more mistakes, just to maintain the 3x multiplier. Or to only play fast when the bank is full of players, as playing fast when you are the only one playing, only makes your bankroll diminish quicker and you have no one else getting you into the bonus round besides yourself, which kind of defeats your purpose of a "community jackpot play". This is a very interesting game though to play, but more like WORK playing so fast. The guy playing next to me, actually broke out into a sweat from his play !!!! You definitely can't play this game all day long at the 3x level of play.

Is the .32% bonus round advantage that you mentioned, represented by only the 1x play multiplier going into the bonus round, as you can enter the bonus round with a multiplier of a x1, x2, or x3 option of play ? I guess my question is, does the fast play required to maintain the 3x multiplier during the bonus round give you a .32% x 3 or .96% advantage then ?

-Len

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard W. Stern" <howard.w.stern@...> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: len_jz
Sent: Sep 17, 2009 11:10 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] WMS Big Event video poker

Adds about 0.32% to the normal EV. Average bonus round return is about 65 and occurs on average of 32-1/7 plays (Average is every 225 seconds and the extra bet = 7 seconds. 225/7 = 32-1/7.) Works out to 5/7 of a credit for every 225 played. 5/(7*225) = 5/1575 = 1/315 = about 0.32%

I just played this new game yesterday by WMS gaming and read on-line at the company website that the extra 2 coin bet that you have to bet to be eligible for the bonus round is greater than the optimal return of the base game. Does anyone know by how much ?

I did very well on playing this game, and I really don't know if it was because most other players were not betting MAX, and they could not ever get into the bonus rounds or features, so maybe that was why I was winning maybe ???

Playing this game was like a flash back from the Flush Attack era !!!!

But you play like crazy and fast to maintain the 3 x feature on your screen and that is based on how fast you can play your hands and then once you get into the bonus rounds, all pays are tripled then and not DBL'd.

Boy it sure was fun, but it is crazy at the same time, I saw myself making more mistakes in playing so fast, but know after coming back home and thinking about it, I wonder what the difference in payoff is in this game if you go into the bonus rounds at 2 x vs 3 x pays ???

Has anyone else played this crazy game yet or know the payback return ?

-Len

> Has anyone else played this crazy game yet or know the payback return ?
>
> -Len
>

Would you care to share where you played this game? I have never seen it, but it sounds like it could be fun.

Thanks,
Pam

Here is a direct link to the website at WMS gaming that explains the Big Event VP game:
http://www.wms.com/game-detail.php?Category=00&Themes=836

When I first played it, I just sat down and started playing as I thought it was just a regular VP game and didn't really take the time to read the HELP info on the game, but it is rather entertaining. An article that I had read from the internet, while I was trying to gather and find more info on this new game, stated that it was first installed at Red Rock in Las Vegas, but it was slow to catch on, but I cannot verify that, as I'm not a local resident of Nevada.

I found it at a local casino back here in Michigan. The problem is most people are sitting down and like me, are not reading the screen or help info on it and you just start to play. If you don't hit bet MAX 7 coins, you are not eligible for any bonus rounds and then you can just play it like a regular 5 coin VP machine. Kind of like playing supertimes pay machines and never having the multiplier spin out if you are only betting 5 coins per hand.

This game reminds me of the flush attack game of long ago, but unlike that game, where you had "campers" at the machine, reading books and newspapers and just waiting with credits on their machine to only play during the Flush Attack mode, this game has a countdown meter, (in seconds) that is on your screen and it continuously counts down from a range of 30-0 seconds, as you play each VP hand. If you remain inactive and don't play for 30 seconds, you are excluded from entering a bonus round if one is triggered, (unlike the flush attack game), which was activated on every machine on the linked bank of machines regardless if a machine was being played or not. The unique thing about this game though, is prior to entering a triggered bonus round, if you are playing fast and I mean REAL FAST, your pays entering the bonus round are either in 3X, or 2X, mode play, and this is constantly being updated and displayed on your screen in the top left corner near the countdown. If you play really slow, you enter all bonus rounds with just a normal pay multiplier of 1x pay. All credits awarded during the bonus round and then multiplied by your award that you received from playing fast, prior to entering the bonus round. The website at WMS, really doesn't show that while I played the game in demo mode online, it went into a bonus round, but every round that I played for fun online was only at 1X award play. For real and in the casino, I went into every bonus round, (except 1 time, when I stopped to put more money into the machine), at the 3x level, but it is a lot of work to keep up that level of play and at that pace. One of the bonus rounds is to receive 7 FREE games with a super paytable. The full houses on 9/6 JOB pays 90 during the bonus round and then I got 3x for it and was awarded 270 coins for a full house. During your normal play, your credits slowly get drained during regular play, but you can make it up during the bonus rounds, (if they come quick enough), especially if you hit a good hand during the bonus round. I think there is probably on "optimal" pace of play where you can just maybe play at a speed right at 3x, if you play a bit slower your multiplier drops to DBL pays on the screen at 2x then. If you pick your play up and play really fast for like 3-4 hands in a row, you multiplier jumps back up to 3x then. Some hands just take longer to play, if you start getting dealt 4 to flush or a pat straight, or full house or 2 pair, it just takes longer to hold more cards and push more buttons, but I really didn't have a problem keeping up with it, but it is tiring and more work then just sitting down and playing a regular VP game. I know I could not play it much longer then what I did for like 4 hours nonstop.

Like everyone else, I think playing fast and making the very common mistake of not seeing low pairs and throwing them away and then you notice that right away after you hit the DRAW button, that you did it, and well after it's gone, it's gone, you don't take the time to dwell on it, you just keep right on going then. It's a crazy game, but I think maybe it's worth playing, if you find a good paytable on it, but at the pace that I was playing I figured during your play you are playing over 2500+ hands an hour for sure, and was just wondering if it's all worth it. All I know is that I have sore wrists today.... lol There are 2 bonus rounds where you can actually take a break and pause during your play before the bonus rounds start, because you have to initially start the bonus rounds by pressing the DEAL button. I've already been dealt 4 to the royal during the bonus round like 12 times already, so hopefully if you connect on one of them, payday will occur. During that bonus round and if all machines are being played at 7 coins max, EVERY player is dealt 4 to the royal, all at the same time, it's pretty fun to see that, although it can be a completely different hand from your neighbor sitting next to you, you each get a 4 card hand to the royal to try and complete. If you make a straight flush, flush, straight or jacks or better hand out of it, you still at least win something during the bonus round and your pays are multiplied by your multiplier then.

I still don't know if the amount of mistakes or errors that you make trying to achieve the 3x multiplier pace, outweighs the difference in just playing slower and making less mistakes but then playing fast enough to get the 2x multiplier to stay out. I guess this game really, and finally rewards a FAST and ACCURATE VP player.

-Len

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela" <pdasarese@...> wrote:

> > Has anyone else played this crazy game yet or know the payback return ?
> >
> > -Len
> >
>
Would you care to share where you played this game? I have never seen it, but it sounds like it could be fun.

Thanks,
Pam

That really does sound fun, I'd be interested in trying this game. If speed of play is essential for maintaining the highest bonus level then Deuces would be a better choice than JOB provided the paytable was halfway decent. Since in Deuces you spend less time holding things in general. It's much more frequent for you to hold just a single deuce or even just throw away the whole dealt hand than it is in JOB.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela" <pdasarese@...> wrote:

> > Has anyone else played this crazy game yet or know the payback return ?
> >
> > -Len
> >
>
Would you care to share where you played this game? I have never seen it, but it sounds like it could be fun.

Thanks,
Pam

Thanks, Len. I'll keep a lookout for it! The demo seems fun, but the paytables are bad, probably like they will be in most casinos.

Pam

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "len_jz" <len_jz@...> wrote:

Here is a direct link to the website at WMS gaming that explains the Big Event VP game:
http://www.wms.com/game-detail.php?Category=00&Themes=836

That's what I'm guessing also, the only good paytable where I play at has 9/6 JOB on it, most of the other 5 games are really bad, the next best game is probably the 9/7/5 DBL bonus, but that has a too time consuming strategy to play fast, and there is a bad 8/5 DBL, DBL and even worse deuces wild, and joker poker paying back 80 for quads. I found it kind of surprising that the JOB were at 9/6 though when the rest of the paytables were all bad on the other games.

Even on the demo game to play on the website, the JOB game comes up as a 6/5 game to play.... I wonder why they would even do that, who would even want to play a bad demo paytable for fun, now that's just bad marketing !

-Len

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela" <pdasarese@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "len_jz" <len_jz@> wrote:
>
> Here is a direct link to the website at WMS gaming that explains the Big Event VP game:
> http://www.wms.com/game-detail.php?Category=00&Themes=836

Thanks, Len. I'll keep a lookout for it! The demo seems fun, but the paytables are bad, probably like they will be in most casinos.

Pam

Where is this game offered?

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________________________________
From: len_jz <len_jz@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:30:54 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: WMS Big Event video poker

Thanks for that info, it was exactly what I was looking for. The game that I was playing was standard 9/6 JOB at 99.54%, so with your calculations, the game would be around 99.86% and playable. But I'm not really sold yet on the bonus round coming out, (on AVG) every 3 minutes and 25 seconds as it is reported on the WMS gaming website. I had a very, very long stretch of no bonus rounds coming out for 20-25 minutes and that happened to me, 2 times during a 4 hour session of constant playing, and I was playing like 45-50 hands a minute. I maintained the constant level of 3x bonus play, and at that rate, you don't have time to do anything else besides play, and you are playing like 1 hand every second, or second and a half. The only time you get a little break is when the bonus round play is triggered. At one time, I was the only one playing a group of 8 linked machines, and I would think if the machines were full and being played at max, I would be better
off, because I would benefit from someone else triggering the bonus round then, and it would happen more frequently. I won over $600 during a quad bonus round when my hand was multiplied by 3x, during a poker pot bonus hand, when I was dealt 4 8's, and that was my biggest win.

But that 4 to the royal bonus hand being dealt to you, and looking at 8000 coins x 3 or $6000, sure would be a nice hit for a $1.75 bet being placed. I'm just wondering if the strategy to play slower and only get the 2x multiplier to stay out during your play would be better and smarter then going all out and playing so fast, and making more mistakes, just to maintain the 3x multiplier. Or to only play fast when the bank is full of players, as playing fast when you are the only one playing, only makes your bankroll diminish quicker and you have no one else getting you into the bonus round besides yourself, which kind of defeats your purpose of a "community jackpot play". This is a very interesting game though to play, but more like WORK playing so fast. The guy playing next to me, actually broke out into a sweat from his play !!!! You definitely can't play this game all day long at the 3x level of play.

Is the .32% bonus round advantage that you mentioned, represented by only the 1x play multiplier going into the bonus round, as you can enter the bonus round with a multiplier of a x1, x2, or x3 option of play ? I guess my question is, does the fast play required to maintain the 3x multiplier during the bonus round give you a .32% x 3 or .96% advantage then ?

-Len

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Howard W. Stern" <howard.w.stern@ ...> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: len_jz
Sent: Sep 17, 2009 11:10 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [vpFREE] WMS Big Event video poker

Adds about 0.32% to the normal EV. Average bonus round return is about 65 and occurs on average of 32-1/7 plays (Average is every 225 seconds and the extra bet = 7 seconds. 225/7 = 32-1/7.) Works out to 5/7 of a credit for every 225 played. 5/(7*225) = 5/1575 = 1/315 = about 0.32%

I just played this new game yesterday by WMS gaming and read on-line at the company website that the extra 2 coin bet that you have to bet to be eligible for the bonus round is greater than the optimal return of the base game. Does anyone know by how much ?

I did very well on playing this game, and I really don't know if it was because most other players were not betting MAX, and they could not ever get into the bonus rounds or features, so maybe that was why I was winning maybe ???

Playing this game was like a flash back from the Flush Attack era !!!!

But you play like crazy and fast to maintain the 3 x feature on your screen and that is based on how fast you can play your hands and then once you get into the bonus rounds, all pays are tripled then and not DBL'd.

Boy it sure was fun, but it is crazy at the same time, I saw myself making more mistakes in playing so fast, but know after coming back home and thinking about it, I wonder what the difference in payoff is in this game if you go into the bonus rounds at 2 x vs 3 x pays ???

Has anyone else played this crazy game yet or know the payback return ?

-Len

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