Shack has a youtube video on the ten best games to play in a casino, my summary:
craps with 3-4-5 or better odds (don’t take field bets)
9-6 jacks or deuces wild video poker
sports bet the home underdog (he says it’s historically +EV)
ultimate texas holdem
3 to 2 blackjack (or 5 for 2 on machines, same thing)
spanish 21
pai gow banking
banker bet in baccarat
“french roulette” (single zero, returns half bet if hit)
mississippi stud
Well… he must have a different definition of “best” than I.
nightoftheiguana2000 wrote :
Shack has a youtube video on the ten best games to play in a casino, my summary:
craps with 3-4-5 or better odds (don’t take field bets)
9-6 jacks or deuces wild video poker
sports bet the home underdog (he says it’s historically +EV)
ultimate texas holdem
3 to 2 blackjack (or 5 for 2 on machines, same thing)
spanish 21
pai gow banking
banker bet in baccarat
“french roulette” (single zero, returns half bet if hit)
mississippi stud
I assume he left 10/7 DB off his VP list because of what he calls “findability.” Though he didn’t mention it, Volatility may have been a consideration as well. (However, 10/7 DB may be less volatile than “Ugly deuces” and is surely less volatile than 9/6 DDB!)
aprvp wrote: “I assume he left 10/7 DB off his VP list because of what he calls “findability.””
It’s also a difficult game to play without making mistakes, most people likely win less off this game than off of 9-6 jacks, because of play mistakes. It’s commonly stated that if you play DB with a jacks strategy, you get the same return as jacks, but what if you make more mistakes trying to get more out of DB?
Mississippi stud? Ouch. That game is rough without colluding!
You can play 10/7 to a 99.9% return bu sing the 9/6 strategy with 3 simple modifications.
Haven’t played that in over 10 years so I am giving it to you by memory.
Hold inside straights
Hold 4 to a flush over a pair of jacks or better.
Hold 3 card flushes
Beyond that involves obscure and arcane penalty card situations that I never would advise anyone with a life expectancy under 2500 years to tackle.
99.9% ER sounds a little optimistic … but admittedly I’ve never run the numbers. I just know 10/7 DB with unmodified 9/6 JB strategy has an ER of 99.5%.
Get rid of rule 2: 4 flush over hi pair! (you must be thinking All American)
Hope you at least add:
Pair AA over 2 pr, AAA over FH, A over 2 hi (exc suited JQ).
FWIW, anyone considering 10/7 DB (or even 9/7) shouldn’t wing it on a modified Jacks strategy … the game’s pretty wicked on bankroll and you don’t want to sacrifice return unnecessarily.
Re DB penalty rules – I consider it sport. There are 4 key, frequently occurring penalty situations that capture over 80% of the return that can be added vs a non-penalty strategy. However, I believe we’re still talking less than .1% (again, haven’t looked at the specifics since I was last avidly playing 10/7 DB in 2004).
—In vpF…@…com, <melbedewy1226@…> wrote :
You can play 10/7 to a 99.9% return bu sing the 9/6 strategy with 3 simple modifications.
Haven’t played that in over 10 years so I am giving it to you by memory.
Hold inside straights
Hold 4 to a flush over a pair of jacks or better.
Hold 3 card flushes
Beyond that involves obscure and arcane penalty card situations that I never would advise anyone with a life expectancy under 2500 years to tackle.
Ah…Harry…The good 'ol days on the step up level at TP !!
Larry F.
It's admittedly been quite a long time since I played 10/7 but
I don't remember breaking AAxx to hold just AA. 9/7 maybe?
AAA > AAAxx, yes.
On Wed, 18 Jul 2019, harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] wrote:
Hope you at least add:
Pair AA over 2 pr, AAA over FH, A over 2 hi (exc suited JQ).
Lone Locust is correct, but both decisions are pretty close, and making the wrong choice is almost costless.
You do about 1% better by holding trip A’s vs Aces full. Since dealt Aces full occurs about once in 9,000 hands, the overall net gain from playing that hand correctly is 0.0001%. That’s a $1 saving for every $1 million in bets. I’m sure that if you have any bankroll considerations at all at the level you’re playing, you’re better off keeping the full house. (I just wanted to get that in before NOTI said it! ;>)
Holding AA over AAxx nets you a tiny 0.15% gain. You have a 0.37% chance of being dealt AAXX, so the total gain is 0.15%*0.37% = 0.00054%. (For every $100,000 in action, you save about 50 cents by making the right decision.)
Harry also suggested following “A over 2 hi (exc suited JQ).” That’s gotta be an “oops”, right? Harry, maybe you were thinking DDB, but even then it would be something like “A over unsuited 2 hi (exc JQ).”
–Dunbar
—In vpF…@…com, <zorak@…> wrote :
On Wed, 18 Jul 2019, harry.porter@… [vpFREE] wrote:
Hope you at least add:
Pair AA over 2 pr, AAA over FH, A over 2 hi (exc suited JQ).
It’s admittedly been quite a long time since I played 10/7 but
I don’t remember breaking AAxx to hold just AA. 9/7 maybe?
AAA > AAAxx, yes.
I wrote, “You do about 1% better by holding trip A’s vs Aces full. Since dealt Aces full occurs about once in 9,000 hands, the overall net gain from playing that hand correctly is 0.0001%. That’s a $1 saving for every $1 million in bets.”
Specifically, a 5-unit bet has an EV of 50.574 if you hold the trips, compared to 50.000 if you hold the FH. The difference is indeed “about 1%” of the EV, BUT it’s 11.5% of the initial bet. (Thanks go to my old friend “Shoe” for pointing this out.) This makes the cost about 10 times greater than I had calculated, but luckily, 10 times almost nothing is still almost nothing. In this case, the savings for every $1,000,000 in bets is actually $12.70.
There is a similar but even smaller correction to be made for the AAXX vs AA decision. The result is that you actually save 95 cents per $100,000 bets, not 50 cents as I’d written.
–Dunbar
—In vpF…@…com, <h_dunbar@…> wrote :
Lone Locust is correct, but both decisions are pretty close, and making the wrong choice is almost costless.
You do about 1% better by holding trip A’s vs Aces full. Since dealt Aces full occurs about once in 9,000 hands, the overall net gain from playing that hand correctly is 0.0001%. That’s a $1 saving for every $1 million in bets. I’m sure that if you have any bankroll considerations at all at the level you’re playing, you’re better off keeping the full house. (I just wanted to get that in before NOTI said it! ;>)
Holding AA over AAxx nets you a tiny 0.15% gain. You have a 0.37% chance of being dealt AAXX, so the total gain is 0.15%*0.37% = 0.00054%. (For every $100,000 in action, you save about 50 cents by making the right decision.)
Harry also suggested following “A over 2 hi (exc suited JQ).” That’s gotta be an “oops”, right? Harry, maybe you were thinking DDB, but even then it would be something like “A over unsuited 2 hi (exc JQ).”
–Dunbar
—In vpF…@…com, <zorak@…> wrote :
On Wed, 18 Jul 2019, harry.porter@… [vpFREE] wrote:
Hope you at least add:
Pair AA over 2 pr, AAA over FH, A over 2 hi (exc suited JQ).
It’s admittedly been quite a long time since I played 10/7 but
I don’t remember breaking AAxx to hold just AA. 9/7 maybe?
AAA > AAAxx, yes.
If you were playing quarter 10/7 DB at MSS, you'd want to hold AA over AAxx. The guaranteed $2 scratchoff is worth it.
For the first six months or so of my $1 10/7 DB play, I went the conservative route and held a pat “Aces full” vs the minutely better trip Aces hold.
And after having been whipsawed by the game I realized that the guaranteed $50 payout on the held full house, on those infrequent dealt “Aces full” occasions, wasn’t making a dent in my overall win/loss experience in the game.
So, in what was an exceeding rare moment for me, I said "screw it!, and started going for the thrill of chasing the Aces (in that one situation).
If “bankroll considerations” becomes a driving force in what you hold in this instance, your bankroll isn’t hardy enough for the game … period.
—In vpF…@…com, <h_dunbar@…> wrote :
Lone Locust is correct, but both decisions are pretty close, and making the wrong choice is almost costless.
You do about 1% better by holding trip A’s vs Aces full. Since dealt Aces full occurs about once in 9,000 hands, the overall net gain from playing that hand correctly is 0.0001%. That’s a $1 saving for every $1 million in bets. I’m sure that if you have any bankroll considerations at all at the level you’re playing, you’re better off keeping the full house. (I just wanted to get that in before NOTI said it! ;>)