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Wizard of Odds FPDW optimal strategy-> With 3 deuces, Discard 5 of a kind???

#1

3 Deuces
1. Wild royal flush (25.0000)
2. 3 deuces only, non-pair discarded (15.059204)
3. 3 deuces only, pair 9 or less discarded (15.057354)

4. 5 of a kind (15.0000)
5. 3 deuces only, pair 10 or greater discarded
(14.938946)
6. 4 to a royal flush (11.829787)
7. Straight flush or less

so basiclly, u keep 5 of a kind if the pair is 10 or
greater, else just keep the 3 deuces.

How much of a penalty did I take vs the above by using
this simple strategy on 3 deuces?
1) pat wild royal
2) pat 5 of a kind
3) 3 deuces only

THX

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#2

In full-pay deuces wild 5-of-a-kind at $.25 x 5 coins, the range of
EV (EV as decreed by the moderator of this group) :

222TT is better than 222_ _ by 7.6 cents,

222_ _ is better than 22233 by 9.9 cents.

If you factor in the time taken up by the 1000 coin drop, a likely
hopper fill, gathering the coins (and may be the rest of your
credits), a trip to cash in the coins, and the slot attendant tip;
always holding the 5-of-a-kind is the better play (except for TITO
machines). But still----as a recreational player, how much are you
willing to give up in exchange for the excitement of hitting the
quad deuces? This is a subjective question that only the player can
decide.

This discussion does not apply to NSUD, where holding the 5-of-a-
kind is always a much better play.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David987 Anon <stut70@y...> wrote:

3 Deuces
1. Wild royal flush (25.0000)
2. 3 deuces only, non-pair discarded (15.059204)
3. 3 deuces only, pair 9 or less discarded (15.057354)

4. 5 of a kind (15.0000)
5. 3 deuces only, pair 10 or greater discarded
(14.938946)
6. 4 to a royal flush (11.829787)
7. Straight flush or less

so basiclly, u keep 5 of a kind if the pair is 10 or
greater, else just keep the 3 deuces.

How much of a penalty did I take vs the above by using
this simple strategy on 3 deuces?
1) pat wild royal
2) pat 5 of a kind
3) 3 deuces only

THX

#3

ahh..how about in loose deuces? is it better there to hold 5 of a
kind or 3 deuces (if the pair is 9 or below)?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lwluiki" <lwluiki@a...> wrote:

In full-pay deuces wild 5-of-a-kind at $.25 x 5 coins, the range of
EV (EV as decreed by the moderator of this group) :

222TT is better than 222_ _ by 7.6 cents,

222_ _ is better than 22233 by 9.9 cents.

If you factor in the time taken up by the 1000 coin drop, a likely
hopper fill, gathering the coins (and may be the rest of your
credits), a trip to cash in the coins, and the slot attendant tip;
always holding the 5-of-a-kind is the better play (except for TITO
machines). But still----as a recreational player, how much are you
willing to give up in exchange for the excitement of hitting the
quad deuces? This is a subjective question that only the player can
decide.

This discussion does not apply to NSUD, where holding the 5-of-a-
kind is always a much better play.

#4

In Loose Deuces you should ALWAYS toss any five of a kind when dealt
three deuces. Not only 2 -9 but 10 - A.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <stut70@y...> wrote:

ahh..how about in loose deuces? is it better there to hold 5 of a
kind or 3 deuces (if the pair is 9 or below)?

#5

In Loose Deuces, always keep three deuces over any five-of-a-kind.
In fact, even a wild royal is not kept with three deuces and the
difference in EV is a lot more significant : at $0.25 x 5 coins,

222_ _ is better than a wild royal by $2.32 (+ or - 2 cents
depending on whether it's with suited TJ, QK, or AK).

BTW, due to the absence of even money pays, Pick'em actually
requires a bigger short term bank-roll than Jacks or Better.
Comparing variances between these two games is misleading because in
the short term, all VP results are very far from being Gaussian.
Jazbo Burn's website has a detail analysis of this subject.

In fact, one may give a objective definition of what long term is,
and use it to resolve the recent discussions on "how many hands for
the long term" by a measure of how much the short term distribution
differs from the Normal Distribution (in terms of the integral of
the square of the differences of the two distributions).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <stut70@y...> wrote:

ahh..how about in loose deuces? is it better there to hold 5 of a
kind or 3 deuces (if the pair is 9 or below)?

#6

So NSUD (99.7%) always keep 5 of a kind, but LDW (100.15%) always
keep 3 dueces over anyother hand. and FPDW (100.76%) only keep 3
dueces if the pair is 10 or above. THX

nsud 16-25-200-800
ldw 15-25-500-800
fpdw 15-25-200-800

How about Sam's Town dueces? 10-20-400-800

sigh..or only stick to fpdw since that's the only strategy guide
version i have?

yeah, i know, buy winpoker or fugal's poker. is there a version that
i can put on my palm pilot? (or will these programs run on WinCE
flavors of the handhelds? ie: Dell axiom?)

and if so, is it illegal to use my palm pilot in the casino?

Thx

> ahh..how about in loose deuces? is it better there to hold 5 of a
> kind or 3 deuces (if the pair is 9 or below)?

In Loose Deuces, always keep three deuces over any five-of-a-kind.
In fact, even a wild royal is not kept with three deuces and the
difference in EV is a lot more significant : at $0.25 x 5 coins,

222_ _ is better than a wild royal by $2.32 (+ or - 2 cents
depending on whether it's with suited TJ, QK, or AK).

BTW, due to the absence of even money pays, Pick'em actually
requires a bigger short term bank-roll than Jacks or Better.
Comparing variances between these two games is misleading because

in

the short term, all VP results are very far from being Gaussian.
Jazbo Burn's website has a detail analysis of this subject.

In fact, one may give a objective definition of what long term is,
and use it to resolve the recent discussions on "how many hands

for

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lwluiki" <lwluiki@a...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <stut70@y...> wrote:
the long term" by a measure of how much the short term distribution
differs from the Normal Distribution (in terms of the integral of
the square of the differences of the two distributions).