I was examining a hand on Winpoker : 10s, As, 2c, Jc, 7d. Winpoker
suggests holding 10s, As, 2c. However, if the 7d is replaced with
either the 6d or the 8d, Winpoker suggests holding only the 2c. I
guess that the 7d is supposed to be a penalty card for the dueces,
however, I don't see it. Can anyone help me understand this?
Dan
Winpoker problem
You have stumbled upon what I call the "Dancer hand." It's discussed on pp.
30-40 in Dancer's Deuces Wild book (the 1996 edition). I don't want to
quote Dancer's copywrighted material, but Winpoker is correct.
-- Steve in LV
Oops -- meant pp. 39-40 in the last post.
-- Steve
danca42 wrote:
I was examining a hand on Winpoker : 10s, As, 2c, Jc, 7d. Winpoker
suggests holding 10s, As, 2c. However, if the 7d is replaced with
either the 6d or the 8d, Winpoker suggests holding only the 2c. I
guess that the 7d is supposed to be a penalty card for the dueces,
however, I don't see it. Can anyone help me understand this?
Dan;
The 7D is a pen card for straight and straights flushes. The 6 and 8
create fewer penalties. FPDW can be played at 100.7576% w/o any penalty
considerations. Anyone who has a strong desire to know the perfect
strategy can spend the time to learn these esoteric situations. For a
better return on your time, look for loose change in the couch and
always play the deuce over any ace high RF3.
Thanks,
Skip Hughes
www.vphomepage.com
The other posters gave you a valid reply to your question - the fact
that the seven is right in the "middle" messes up a lot of the
possible straights that you can draw by holding a deuce alone. If
you are really interested in the details of this type of hand, I've
listed the specific exceptions to the general rule below. This is
copied from the footnotes of a strategy chart that I put together
myself, so I don't think I'm violating any copyright rules (I've
never seen any of Dancer's charts for this game). I don't think I've
missed anything, but if anyone notices any exception hands that I
don't list, please let me know, and I'll correct my chart. Is this
stuff important to know? Not really. You can probably safely ignore
all of these exceptions without costing yourself much of anything.
In my chart, the "s" indicates cards that are suited with each other,
and the "m" indicates cards that are of mixed suits (i.e. not suited
with each other). A [2] refers to a deuce.
Hand = Three card wild royal, ace high with one deuce vs. holding the
deuce only.
The general rule for these hands is to go for the three card ace high
wild royal with one deuce only if there are no penalty cards at all.
If there are any penalty cards, then hold the deuce only. Here are
the exceptions to the general rule.
In the following hands, hold the deuce alone, even though there are
no penalty cards.
With [2]ATs: Hold [2] only with 34s
With [2]AJs: Hold [2] only with 34m, 34s, 35s
With [2]AQs: Hold [2] only with 34m, 35m, 36m, 34s, 35s, 36s, 45s
With [2]AKs: Hold [2] only with 34m, 35m, 36m, 37m, 39m, 45m, 46m
34s, 35s, 36s, 37s, 38s, 39s, 45s, 46s.
In the following hands, hold the three card royal, even though there
is a penalty card.
With [2]ATs: Go for the wild royal with J7m. The J and 7 must be of
mixed suits, and neither can be a flush penalty to the royal draw.
With [2]AJs: Go for the wild royal with T7m. The T and 7 must be
of mixed suits, and neither can be a flush penalty to the royal draw.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "danca42" <clbdb@c...> wrote:
I was examining a hand on Winpoker : 10s, As, 2c, Jc, 7d. Winpoker
suggests holding 10s, As, 2c. However, if the 7d is replaced with
either the 6d or the 8d, Winpoker suggests holding only the 2c. I
guess that the 7d is supposed to be a penalty card for the dueces,
however, I don't see it. Can anyone help me understand this?
Dan