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winpoker and seq royal question

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what is the ev of a 9 5 JOB game with a 50000 seq royal payout? How would u do the math in Winpoker?

Thx,
Mark

thats great! maybe ill bump into you one of these
days.

My time wasn't wasted. I enjoyed the trip report
because I frequent most of the places
mentioned when I go to Vegas. ... and I'm not going
to descend into commenting Hthe
rest of your post.

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#2

Mark Marsh wrote:

what is the ev of a 9 5 JOB game with a 50000 seq royal payout? How
would u do the math in Winpoker?

Perhaps pick up a copy of Frugal VP software. ER is 98.68%
If the bonus is paid on reverse sequentials as well add another .3%.

But, in lieu of Frugal, let's work up an estimate by determining the
percentage of royals that are sequential and adjusting the return on a
pro rata basis. This method won't allow for any adjustment in
strategy, such as the possibility that you might hold suited TJQ when
appearing as the first 3 cards over JJ -- don't look for me to assess
whether that's actually a strategy shift just now :wink:

For any 5 card hand there are 120 permutations of the cards. (5
choices for the 1st card, 4 for the 2nd, ... = 5*4*3*2*1). So, we'll
back out 1/120th of the return from the RF and substitute that value
with one that's 12.5x greater (50000/4000).

Winpoker indicates that in 9/5 JB the RF contributes 1.99% to the
return. If we were interested in absolute precision we'd recalculate
this using the more precise numbers from which the 1.99% is derived.
However, any value we arrive at from 1.99% will be accurate to within
+/- 1/199; good enough for these purposes.

With 1/120 of the RF return coming from the sequential royal, the
respective portion of ER is about .0165% (1/20 * 1.99%). Multiplying
that by 12.5, the adjusted contribution of the SR is .206%, an
increase of .19%. Adding this to the standard 98.45% ER of 9/5 Jacks,
the adjusted return for the SR is 98.64%.

Presumably the .04% difference between this and the FVP value reflects
strategy changes favoring a SR.

- Harry

#3

thank you!
Mark

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--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

Mark Marsh wrote:
> what is the ev of a 9 5 JOB game with a 50000 seq
royal payout? How
> would u do the math in Winpoker?

Perhaps pick up a copy of Frugal VP software. ER is
98.68%
If the bonus is paid on reverse sequentials as well
add another .3%.

But, in lieu of Frugal, let's work up an estimate by
determining the
percentage of royals that are sequential and
adjusting the return on a
pro rata basis. This method won't allow for any
adjustment in
strategy, such as the possibility that you might
hold suited TJQ when
appearing as the first 3 cards over JJ -- don't look
for me to assess
whether that's actually a strategy shift just now :wink:

For any 5 card hand there are 120 permutations of
the cards. (5
choices for the 1st card, 4 for the 2nd, ... =
5*4*3*2*1). So, we'll
back out 1/120th of the return from the RF and
substitute that value
with one that's 12.5x greater (50000/4000).

Winpoker indicates that in 9/5 JB the RF contributes
1.99% to the
return. If we were interested in absolute precision
we'd recalculate
this using the more precise numbers from which the
1.99% is derived.
However, any value we arrive at from 1.99% will be
accurate to within
+/- 1/199; good enough for these purposes.

With 1/120 of the RF return coming from the
sequential royal, the
respective portion of ER is about .0165% (1/20 *
1.99%). Multiplying
that by 12.5, the adjusted contribution of the SR is
.206%, an
increase of .19%. Adding this to the standard
98.45% ER of 9/5 Jacks,
the adjusted return for the SR is 98.64%.

Presumably the .04% difference between this and the
FVP value reflects
strategy changes favoring a SR.

- Harry