If you sit too close to fire you will get some soot & maybe a burn.
Since you don't play primarily to win, most of the questions you ask
really have no value to you & are not worth worrying about a minor
burn like this to ask them.
From: Bill Velek
To: vp_heaven@y... ; vpFREE@y... ; winpoker@y... ;
frugalvp@y... ; Tunica_Travelers@y...
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Why Rob Singer should be banned from EVERY vp
group -- because he's no gentleman!
For those who think that this is off-topic, I apologize; just
had to get
this off my chest. I'm cross-posting this message to a few of
my other
regular groups because I'd like folks, including newbies, to
see a prime
example of why Rob Singer has been banned on at least one VP
group, and
why we'd all be better off without him on ANY of these groups.
Awhile back I added Rob Singer to my e-mail filter which
automatically
deletes all messages coming from him; I did this not because I
dislike
Rob, but because I was uninterested in most of what he writes.
I must
confess that I have made a _few_ comments, from time to time,
about his
flawed 'system', but I can't honestly remember saying anything
bad about
him, as a person, except perhaps that he doesn't seem to
understand or
believe mathematics -- something I find difficult to believe of
someone
who is supposed to be an engineer (at least that's what I've
heard).
Now I find this unwarranted, extremely distorted, and
shamefully ugly
post about me on VP_Heaven, which I will now try to straighten
out.
Then I am going to cancel my membership in that group so that I
will
never need to read such drivel from him again, and I hope and
implore
the moderators of my other favorite groups to PLEASE never let
this guy
join our group.
Rob's post was prompted by this innocent comment I had put on
VP_Heaven,
which made absolutely no reference whatsoever to Rob Singer or
his 'system':
>>Why? Everyone who plays VP plays just a single session in
life; it
>>starts with the first game of their life, and it ends with
the last
>>game of their life. Pauses in your play during that single
session
>>are mere intermissions -- whether they are 5 minutes to run
to the
>>bathroom, an hour to get something to eat, 6 to 8 hours to
get some
>>sleep, a week until the next weekend excursion, or a year
until the
>>next trip to Vegas. The machines have no idea how long
you're gone.
>>
>>My goal is always to have a good time with the money I've
brought.
>>If I'm ahead, I don't stop playing -- I play for as long as I
had
>>originally planned. If I'm behind, I keep on playing for as
long as
>>I had originally planned -- so long as I still have the money
I've
>>budgeted. Naturally, if I run out, I'm sensible enough to
quit
>>without wiring home for the mortgage money. :-/
And for THAT, Rob Singer - Professional Gambler :-), with whom
I haven't
communicated in months, saw fit to try to tear me apart by
posting this
shameful reply (my comments are interspersed between his):
>In a message dated 10/23/2002 7:41:09 AM Eastern Daylight
Time,
>rsinger1111@c... writes:
>
>Marsha: Remember, this guy posted that he goes to casinos to
play one
>nickel at a time ...
Actually, I usually play one _quarter_ at a time because the
odds are
better than the nickel machines; however, I'm not too proud to
admit
that I have _often_ played nickels, and if I could find JOB 9/6
on a
nickel machine, especially at a bar, then I'd play it rather
than
quarters -- and yes, I'd probably play one nickel at a time.
It's my
money, my time, and my own business. If I have fun doing that,
why
would Rob or anyone else care a hoot?
>... and sit at the bars to get as loaded as possible before he
crashes
I won't deny that I like to drink, but I never said that I sit
there and
get loaded. And I never said that I _ever_ drive after I've
been
drinking; the fact is that I get a pretty good buzz, but my
wife does
all the driving -- and she _might_ have one, or at the most,
two alcohol
beverages all day long. But just like Rob always grossly
exaggerates
just about every thing that comes out of his mouth, so he's
done it now
with this defamatory statement about me.
>... and loses his allotted $80 per trip to somewhere in the
South where
>he plays.
That would be in 'Tunica', Rob. Well, I don't need to be a big
spender
like Rob to have a good time. I guess I'm just a cheapskate;
is that a
crime? As long as I _tip_ well, which I _always_do_, I don't
see why
the amount that I budget is anyone's concern. Maybe I can
afford to
lose more ... and maybe I can't. That's my business.
>... Supposedly, his wife supports this ironic behavior of a
man who
>purports to be a DWI attorney. ...
Irony?! What? That I drink but _DON'T_ drive, ... and yet I'm
a DWI
attorney? _ALMOST_ irony, Rob, but you didn't quite make it,
as usual.
And I never said what my wife supports, approves,
disapproves, or how
she feels about anything. She doesn't like me to smoke, and I
smoke.
I'm sure she doesn't like me eating as much as I do, since I'm
overweight. And she probably doesn't care that I drink as much
as I do,
since she drinks hardly anything. So, ... is she supposed to
divorce
me? ... or never come to the casinos with me? ... or nag me
while I'm
gambling?
>... And I believe he is. It's easy for him to say
>that we play just one loooong session. He doesn't really know
whether he's
>coming or going, ...
Yet _another_ personal attack, without any factual basis
whatsoever.
>... and it shows in the foolish and incomprehensible posts he
makes.
I'm surprised you bother trying to read them, Rob, if you find
them so
foolish and incomprehensible. At least I was smart enough to
start
filtering you when I felt that way about your posts; the only
reason I
saw this was that someone else repeated it. And I can well
understand
how my posts would be incomprehensible to you; maybe my posts
are the
problem ... do you think? I'd be much more concerned if the
many people
I respect and admire on these groups shared your sentiments,
but somehow
I doubt that this is true -- judging from the numerous
conversations
I've had with those folks.
>He's continually soft as a grape in what he writes, ...
Soft? Because I'm generally pretty damned polite? ...
apologetic when I
make a mistake? ... and gentlemanly? It's called "good
manners", Rob.
>using no thought
>or understanding other than that which supposedly tells him
why he cannot
>win. ...
Well, I'm not the brightest nor the most gifted, and I've made
my share
of mistakes -- which I've openly admitted here from time to
time. But
at least I'm trying to learn and understand, rather than close-
mindedly
insisting that I'm right and the all the other professional
gamblers and
mathematicians are wrong. And I try my best to share what I've
learned
with newbies, rather than to mislead them; yes, Rob, if your
system
'really' worked, you are nonetheless misleading newbies by not
fully
explaining all of your secret 'special plays'.
>... He's an amateur loser, ...
As opposed to a _professional_ loser?
>... and all he does is seek attention ...
You've posted constant rants, rambling and drivel, and have
participated
in _EXTENSIVE_ flame wars and quarrels -- constantly and
repeatedly
wasting Internet resources and the time of most members -- all
in the
defense of your _inflated_ego_, and now you have the audacity
to say
that all I do is seek attention.
>... on these boards with posts of wonder laced with corn.
?? Whatever! The rest of Rob's nonsensical juvenile tirade is
snipped.
*****
Anyway, if anyone other than Rob has actually taken the time to
read to
the end of this post, let me express my appreciation to all
those of you
on VP_Heaven who have offered a warm welcome and useful
advice. I hope
to continue exchanges with you fine folks on the various other
groups
where I post, such as WinPoker, VP_Free, Frugal Video Poker,
and Tunica
Travelers, but VP_Heaven has now lost all appeal to me; my
final act
regarding VPHeaven will be to visit the Yahoogroups website and
terminate my membership.Bill Velek
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