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If you didn't act so superior and condescending, I might be more receptive
to your fascinating posts. Or not. And I understand your "subtle concepts"
better than you can possibly know. You assume I reject them because I don't
understand them. And you are wrong.

You are constantly making assumptions about people you don't know--they
don't grasp the concepts, they don't know their own goals, they are biased
towards MER. Takes lots of ego and arrogance to make these assumptions. But that's
just you.

I wouldn't dream of "interfering" in any discussions. How would one do that
anyway, via e-mail?

And any time you wish to send a "scathing response," fire away!

Brian

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In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:43:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jacobs@xmission.com writes:

Some of this involves some subtle concepts that can be extremely
difficult to grasp. I suspect it requires more effort than you are currently
willing to devote to it. I hope you will respect those who wish to
understand it better and not interfere in the discussion.

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If you didn't act so superior and condescending, I might be more receptive
to your fascinating posts. Or not. And I understand your "subtle concepts"
better than you can possibly know. You assume I reject them because I
don't understand them. And you are wrong.

You are constantly making assumptions about people you don't know--they
don't grasp the concepts, they don't know their own goals, they are biased
towards MER. Takes lots of ego and arrogance to make these assumptions. But
that's just you.

I wouldn't dream of "interfering" in any discussions. How would one do that
anyway, via e-mail?

And any time you wish to send a "scathing response," fire away!

Wow, you sure told me. I hope you feel better now.

This is a no-win scenario for me. As it is, I don't have time to respond to
all the posts that I would like to respond to, so I have to choose.

One day you tell me that you are trying to maximize EV, and you go so far
as to point out that what you do is "the definition of max-ER". Here are your
exact words:

For every VP hand I am dealt, I want to win the most money, or lose the
least money. I believe that is the definition of max ER play, and I
attempt to play each hand in that fashion. And I also believe that most
"serious" players share this goal. For the hands we play, we wish to win
as much as possible, or lose as little as possible. That is MY goal.

So I ask "Is that really your goal" and pose the classic question (used years
ago in rec.gambling) to discern those who truly care about EV. Your
response:

According to you, NO ONE has the goal of maximizing ER, since no sane
player would bet his entire net worth on a single bet. Handy, <big snip>

Wow, sounds like you really care about maximizing ER. Except then you
turn around later and say:

You are going on about maximizing ER. I was speaking of playing MER
strategy on a game for which one is adequately bankrolled. Totally
different! But you know that.

So now you're not interested in maximizing ER, and you're merely playing
MER strategy while being adequately bankrolled. One day you go out of
your way to make it really clear that maximizing ER is "your thing" and the
next you act like it was never much of a priority. Well, which is it? You
don't seem to even understand your own objective, and you expect me
to believe that you understand alternate strategies "better than [Steve] can
possibly know"? Yeah, right.

Now I don't know if you're bipolar, or just really confused about what your
own play is trying to accomplish, or if you're just trying to amuse yourself
by playing mind games. But is doesn't much matter, because whichever
case applies, I clearly don't have the background to help you. Your
problem lies in a realm that is unrelated to mathematics.

Your latest response is the classical ad hominem attack. Now I'm all
superior and condescending, and I exude ego and arrogance? Call
me all the names you want, it only proves that you're interested in
picking a fight rather than having a discussion. But thank you for
so clearly demonstrating your motives.

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On Saturday 12 August 2006 3:57 am, bjaygold@aol.com wrote: