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I have a friend at work named Larry. Larry had never shown an
interest in gambling and had always said that, "Only a fool would go
to a casino and gamble for real hard-earned money!" About a six
months ago, after hearing about my hitting a $6,000 royal flush
playing dollar Pick'Em, he began to ask me some questions about video
poker.
   Larry still let me know that he was only curious how I won
the money and had no real interest in playing video poker himself. I
explained to him the various games in the casinos here in Detroit,
and
how to read the pay scales to determine the best percentage and other
aspects of the game. I told him about the software that was available
to practice on and how it was possible to come close to even in the
long run with cash back and comps. I thought that was all there was
too it. Wrong!
   One Monday Larry came up to me all excited and related how he won
$40 playing Double Double Bonus at Motor City Casino Sunday. I said,
great, but did you know that game only pays 98.98%, and
eventually you will lose more than you win? I told him if he was
determined to play, at least play Deuces Wild on the progressive bank
because it pays 99.72%. I don't think he was listening.
   From that point on, Larry has been going to the casinos at least
once per week, and strangely, claims that he usually wins most of the
time. I'm really not sure I believed him.
   He still doesn't play the games perfectly, even after buying
software and practicing every night, he says he likes to play the
occasional hunch.
   Unfortunately for me, I'm currently in a slump and have dropped
down from dollars to quarters and can't seem to hit anything and he
keeps telling me about his wins. Ok, I can handle that, but
today was the topper.
   I've always told him, and he knows from the software, that you
never hold an Ace and Ten when playing DDB
because it will cost you money in the long run. But Larry does
it anyway. It's one of his hunches. Yesterday while playing quarter
DDB progressive at Motor City, he was dealt an Ace and a Ten of
clubs. He was going to hold them but remembering what I said, decided
to do it the "right way" and hold only the Ace. Can you guess what
happened? The draw gave him the Jack, Queen, and King of clubs right
in the spots where he would have gotten a royal if he played it his
way.
   For some reason he seemed to blame me for his supposed loss. For a
minute I
thought he was going to ask me to give him the progressive amount
since I caused him to miss it. I
think he would have except for the fact that he won over $2,000 that
session.
   It seems that he hit the four Aces twice, three other quads, and
to top it off he ended hitting the royal anyway. But check out how he
got it.
   He was dealt a flush with three royals and discarded the two non-
royal cards. He then drew the two other royals for the win. I called
it luck, he called playing a hunch. I had nothing to say after that.
   I wish Larry the best of luck, but I think we all know what the
long-term outcome will be playing his hunches. But for now He's
convinced that this video poker thing is "easy money" and I don't
know what the hell I'm talking about. Maybe he's right?

   Terry and VP

   "When a poor player sits down at a table and lucks into a big win,
the pros say, "That money is really not his; it's just visiting."
           --Lou Krieger & Arthur Reber

   "Luck is an equal opportunity event. It visits the good, bad, and
the ugly showing no favoritism."
                    --VP Pappy

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...>
wrote:

I have a friend at work named Larry. Larry had never shown an
interest in gambling and had always said that, "Only a fool

would go

to a casino and gamble for real hard-earned money!" About a

six

months ago, after hearing about my hitting a $6,000 royal flush
playing dollar Pick'Em, he began to ask me some questions

about video

poker.
   Larry still let me know that he was only curious how I won
the money and had no real interest in playing video poker

himself. I

explained to him the various games in the casinos here in

Detroit,

and
how to read the pay scales to determine the best percentage

and other

aspects of the game. I told him about the software that was

available

to practice on and how it was possible to come close to even

in the

long run with cash back and comps. I thought that was all there

was

too it. Wrong!
   One Monday Larry came up to me all excited and related how

he won

$40 playing Double Double Bonus at Motor City Casino

Sunday. I said,

great, but did you know that game only pays 98.98%, and
eventually you will lose more than you win? I told him if he was
determined to play, at least play Deuces Wild on the

progressive bank

because it pays 99.72%. I don't think he was listening.
   From that point on, Larry has been going to the casinos at

least

once per week, and strangely, claims that he usually wins

most of the

time. I'm really not sure I believed him.
   He still doesn't play the games perfectly, even after buying
software and practicing every night, he says he likes to play the
occasional hunch.
   Unfortunately for me, I'm currently in a slump and have

dropped

down from dollars to quarters and can't seem to hit anything

and he

keeps telling me about his wins. Ok, I can handle that, but
today was the topper.
   I've always told him, and he knows from the software, that you
never hold an Ace and Ten when playing DDB
because it will cost you money in the long run. But Larry does
it anyway. It's one of his hunches. Yesterday while playing

quarter

DDB progressive at Motor City, he was dealt an Ace and a Ten

of

clubs. He was going to hold them but remembering what I

said, decided

to do it the "right way" and hold only the Ace. Can you guess

what

happened? The draw gave him the Jack, Queen, and King of

clubs right

in the spots where he would have gotten a royal if he played it

his

way.
   For some reason he seemed to blame me for his supposed

loss. For a

minute I
thought he was going to ask me to give him the progressive

amount

since I caused him to miss it. I
think he would have except for the fact that he won over $2,000

that

session.
   It seems that he hit the four Aces twice, three other quads,

and

to top it off he ended hitting the royal anyway. But check out how

he

got it.
   He was dealt a flush with three royals and discarded the two

non-

royal cards. He then drew the two other royals for the win. I

called

it luck, he called playing a hunch. I had nothing to say after that.
   I wish Larry the best of luck, but I think we all know what the
long-term outcome will be playing his hunches. But for now

He's

convinced that this video poker thing is "easy money" and I

don't

know what the hell I'm talking about. Maybe he's right?

   Terry and VP

   "When a poor player sits down at a table and lucks into a big

win,

the pros say, "That money is really not his; it's just visiting."
           --Lou Krieger & Arthur Reber

   "Luck is an equal opportunity event. It visits the good, bad,

and

the ugly showing no favoritism."
                    --VP Pappy

I had a couple of friends who started going to casinos about 10
years ago. They went to Atlantic City and became enamored with
the generic, AC Joker Poker game (Jackpot is 5 of a Kind). In the
first couple of years they had an amazing string of jackpots and
were winning substantial money with 25¢ play. They resisted
even learning a strategy for the game they were playing let alone
checking out better games.

Of course, randomness and house edge eventually came home
to roost and the jackpots went away and they started to lose.
Their attitude about casinos went through an adjustment and
they began to ask me more about which were better games and
why. They now are still not doing as much preparation as they
could, but they are much more realistic in their expectations.

There is no substitute for "luck" in any game of chance.
However, I am one of those who says "There is no luck, only
random randomness." Most likely, your friend's randomness will
come back to normal or, perhaps, he will stop lying to you about
his winnings.

Ned in NYC

A great quote I picked up years ago, unfortunately I can't remember
the source:

"Luck is what happens when preparedness meets opportunity"

AKA "you make your own breaks".
Dancer essentially conveys this gist to the readers of his book and
it's a concept I'm 100% in agreement with. You can never put too much
work into improving your vp skills.

There's also fool's luck but that tends to be of the short lived variety.

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nevadaned" <nevadaned@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...>
wrote:
> I have a friend at work named Larry. Larry had never shown an
> interest in gambling and had always said that, "Only a fool
would go
> to a casino and gamble for real hard-earned money!" About a
six
> months ago, after hearing about my hitting a $6,000 royal flush
> playing dollar Pick'Em, he began to ask me some questions
about video
> poker.
> Larry still let me know that he was only curious how I won
> the money and had no real interest in playing video poker
himself. I
> explained to him the various games in the casinos here in
Detroit,
> and
> how to read the pay scales to determine the best percentage
and other
> aspects of the game. I told him about the software that was
available
> to practice on and how it was possible to come close to even
in the
> long run with cash back and comps. I thought that was all there
was
> too it. Wrong!
> One Monday Larry came up to me all excited and related how
he won
> $40 playing Double Double Bonus at Motor City Casino
Sunday. I said,
> great, but did you know that game only pays 98.98%, and
> eventually you will lose more than you win? I told him if he was
> determined to play, at least play Deuces Wild on the
progressive bank
> because it pays 99.72%. I don't think he was listening.
> From that point on, Larry has been going to the casinos at
least
> once per week, and strangely, claims that he usually wins
most of the
> time. I'm really not sure I believed him.
> He still doesn't play the games perfectly, even after buying
> software and practicing every night, he says he likes to play the
> occasional hunch.
> Unfortunately for me, I'm currently in a slump and have
dropped
> down from dollars to quarters and can't seem to hit anything
and he
> keeps telling me about his wins. Ok, I can handle that, but
> today was the topper.
> I've always told him, and he knows from the software, that you
> never hold an Ace and Ten when playing DDB
> because it will cost you money in the long run. But Larry does
> it anyway. It's one of his hunches. Yesterday while playing
quarter
> DDB progressive at Motor City, he was dealt an Ace and a Ten
of
> clubs. He was going to hold them but remembering what I
said, decided
> to do it the "right way" and hold only the Ace. Can you guess
what
> happened? The draw gave him the Jack, Queen, and King of
clubs right
> in the spots where he would have gotten a royal if he played it
his
> way.
> For some reason he seemed to blame me for his supposed
loss. For a
> minute I
> thought he was going to ask me to give him the progressive
amount
> since I caused him to miss it. I
> think he would have except for the fact that he won over $2,000
that
> session.
> It seems that he hit the four Aces twice, three other quads,
and
> to top it off he ended hitting the royal anyway. But check out how
he
> got it.
> He was dealt a flush with three royals and discarded the two
non-
> royal cards. He then drew the two other royals for the win. I
called
> it luck, he called playing a hunch. I had nothing to say after that.
> I wish Larry the best of luck, but I think we all know what the
> long-term outcome will be playing his hunches. But for now
He's
> convinced that this video poker thing is "easy money" and I
don't
> know what the hell I'm talking about. Maybe he's right?
>
> Terry and VP
>
> "When a poor player sits down at a table and lucks into a big
win,
> the pros say, "That money is really not his; it's just visiting."
> --Lou Krieger & Arthur Reber
>
> "Luck is an equal opportunity event. It visits the good, bad,
and
> the ugly showing no favoritism."
> --VP Pappy

I had a couple of friends who started going to casinos about 10
years ago. They went to Atlantic City and became enamored with
the generic, AC Joker Poker game (Jackpot is 5 of a Kind). In the
first couple of years they had an amazing string of jackpots and
were winning substantial money with 25¢ play. They resisted
even learning a strategy for the game they were playing let alone
checking out better games.

Of course, randomness and house edge eventually came home
to roost and the jackpots went away and they started to lose.
Their attitude about casinos went through an adjustment and
they began to ask me more about which were better games and
why. They now are still not doing as much preparation as they
could, but they are much more realistic in their expectations.

There is no substitute for "luck" in any game of chance.
However, I am one of those who says "There is no luck, only
random randomness." Most likely, your friend's randomness will
come back to normal or, perhaps, he will stop lying to you about
his winnings.

Ned in NYC

The late, great Vince Lombardi is credited with that.

Marc

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:

A great quote I picked up years ago, unfortunately I can't remember
the source:

"Luck is what happens when preparedness meets opportunity"

Did you see him hit these hands?

···

----- Original Message -----
From: "vppappy" <tismurph@hotmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Who's Teaching Who?

I have a friend at work named Larry. Larry had never shown an
interest in gambling and had always said that, "Only a fool would go
to a casino and gamble for real hard-earned money!" About a six
months ago, after hearing about my hitting a $6,000 royal flush
playing dollar Pick'Em, he began to ask me some questions about video
poker.
   Larry still let me know that he was only curious how I won
the money and had no real interest in playing video poker himself. I
explained to him the various games in the casinos here in Detroit,
and
how to read the pay scales to determine the best percentage and other
aspects of the game. I told him about the software that was available
to practice on and how it was possible to come close to even in the
long run with cash back and comps. I thought that was all there was
too it. Wrong!
   One Monday Larry came up to me all excited and related how he won
$40 playing Double Double Bonus at Motor City Casino Sunday. I said,
great, but did you know that game only pays 98.98%, and
eventually you will lose more than you win? I told him if he was
determined to play, at least play Deuces Wild on the progressive bank
because it pays 99.72%. I don't think he was listening.
   From that point on, Larry has been going to the casinos at least
once per week, and strangely, claims that he usually wins most of the
time. I'm really not sure I believed him.
   He still doesn't play the games perfectly, even after buying
software and practicing every night, he says he likes to play the
occasional hunch.
   Unfortunately for me, I'm currently in a slump and have dropped
down from dollars to quarters and can't seem to hit anything and he
keeps telling me about his wins. Ok, I can handle that, but
today was the topper.
   I've always told him, and he knows from the software, that you
never hold an Ace and Ten when playing DDB
because it will cost you money in the long run. But Larry does
it anyway. It's one of his hunches. Yesterday while playing quarter
DDB progressive at Motor City, he was dealt an Ace and a Ten of
clubs. He was going to hold them but remembering what I said, decided
to do it the "right way" and hold only the Ace. Can you guess what
happened? The draw gave him the Jack, Queen, and King of clubs right
in the spots where he would have gotten a royal if he played it his
way.
   For some reason he seemed to blame me for his supposed loss. For a
minute I
thought he was going to ask me to give him the progressive amount
since I caused him to miss it. I
think he would have except for the fact that he won over $2,000 that
session.
   It seems that he hit the four Aces twice, three other quads, and
to top it off he ended hitting the royal anyway. But check out how he
got it.
   He was dealt a flush with three royals and discarded the two non-
royal cards. He then drew the two other royals for the win. I called
it luck, he called playing a hunch. I had nothing to say after that.
   I wish Larry the best of luck, but I think we all know what the
long-term outcome will be playing his hunches. But for now He's
convinced that this video poker thing is "easy money" and I don't
know what the hell I'm talking about. Maybe he's right?

   Terry and VP

   "When a poor player sits down at a table and lucks into a big win,
the pros say, "That money is really not his; it's just visiting."
           --Lou Krieger & Arthur Reber

   "Luck is an equal opportunity event. It visits the good, bad, and
the ugly showing no favoritism."
                    --VP Pappy

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