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Which Would You Play?

#1

In a local casino one of the best available games is 9/6 DDB. Other choices you might prefer like Jacks or Deuces have far worse paytables.

Assume that a temporary promotion plus incentives brings the return on any DDB game to over 100%.

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

1) A $1 5 Play machine.

2) A single line $5 game. Please ignore 4K tax considerations on this game as well as the other two choices.

3) A 25c 10 Play Ultimate Poker game. Assume no mulitipliers when you arrive, and you play only 50 coins on your very last bet to leave no multipliers behind.

Thanks.

#2

Kind of a Dirty Harry question, I think (Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?)

Choice 1: Personally, I don't get much dealt to me. I tend to get better hands on the draw. So in this one, I get one lousy hand, and can draw to it five times.

Choice 2: If I hit the draw, I get my full payoff, not 1/5th

Choice 3: Again personally, I find when playing this, although its fun with the multipliers, I tend to not hit multiple hands in a row, and rarely super hands on the deal. Most of the multipliers end up wasted.

Generally I would opt for the single line $5 game. But as Harry says, if you get a good to excellent hand on the deal, with multipliers in effect, you've got your chance for a big score with Ultimate Poker. So I might try that for a while to see how the fates are dealing that day. If I'm not catching, then I'd drop back to the choice 2. My personal last choice would be the 5 play.

But then, I'm the guy who dropped into my local casino to pick up a gift card on Saturday, didn't want to play my card 'cause I wasn't staying, and didn't want to kill my ADT. So I used the bride's card for 20 minutes until the promo distribution started. I played Pick'em DDB, was down $80, then hit quad 3's for $1K. Last hand, I'm outta there.

Four hours driving, $250 an hour plus the gift card: Merry Christmas!

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In a local casino one of the best available games is 9/6 DDB. Other choices you might prefer like Jacks or Deuces have far worse paytables.

Assume that a temporary promotion plus incentives brings the return on any DDB game to over 100%.

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

1) A $1 5 Play machine.

2) A single line $5 game. Please ignore 4K tax considerations on this game as well as the other two choices.

3) A 25c 10 Play Ultimate Poker game. Assume no mulitipliers when you arrive, and you play only 50 coins on your very last bet to leave no multipliers behind.

Thanks.

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#3

The $1 5-play will reduce your volitility and not require strategy changes.

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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Which Would You Play?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:36 PM

In a local casino one of the best available games is 9/6 DDB. Other choices you might prefer like Jacks or Deuces have far worse paytables.

Assume that a temporary promotion plus incentives brings the return on any DDB game to over 100%.

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

1) A $1 5 Play machine.

2) A single line $5 game. Please ignore 4K tax considerations on this game as well as the other two choices.

3) A 25c 10 Play Ultimate Poker game. Assume no mulitipliers when you arrive, and you play only 50 coins on your very last bet to leave no multipliers behind.

Thanks.

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#4

Yeah, I would agree with that. The 5-play will get you into the long-run faster and smooth out the volatility curve. I don't know what the Ultimate poker game is but if it is the same strategy I would choose that.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, NC Wanderer <larbo929@...> wrote:

The $1 5-play will reduce your volitility and not require strategy changes.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, mikeymic <mikeymic@...> wrote:

From: mikeymic <mikeymic@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Which Would You Play?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:36 PM

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In a local casino one of the best available games is 9/6 DDB. Other choices you might prefer like Jacks or Deuces have far worse paytables.

Assume that a temporary promotion plus incentives brings the return on any DDB game to over 100%.

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

1) A $1 5 Play machine.

2) A single line $5 game. Please ignore 4K tax considerations on this game as well as the other two choices.

3) A 25c 10 Play Ultimate Poker game. Assume no mulitipliers when you arrive, and you play only 50 coins on your very last bet to leave no multipliers behind.

Thanks.

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#5

I'd pick the $1 5 play, the reason being the reduced volatility. On the ultimate play I feel that the volatility is increased and you pay heavily for the multipliers.

Regards

A.P.

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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Which Would You Play?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:36 PM

In a local casino one of the best available games is 9/6 DDB. Other choices you might prefer like Jacks or Deuces have far worse paytables.

Assume that a temporary promotion plus incentives brings the return on any DDB game to over 100%.

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

1) A $1 5 Play machine.

2) A single line $5 game. Please ignore 4K tax considerations on this game as well as the other two choices.

3) A 25c 10 Play Ultimate Poker game. Assume no mulitipliers when you arrive, and you play only 50 coins on your very last bet to leave no multipliers behind.

Thanks.

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#6

i'd play the 10x$0.25 Ultimate X 9/6 DDB, because it returns far more
than standard DDB when played properly (99.86% vs 98.98%). whatever
promo and incentives are making standard DDB over 100% should make the
UX variant far better than that; i can give up 0.1% or 0.2% in
increased errors and still come out ahead on the UX choice.

anyone who has not analyzed and studied the (frankly bizarre) UX
strategy adjustments should go with the standard game, probably 5x$1
to decrease volatility. though if bankroll isn't a concern, then
volatility probably isn't a concern either, go with whatever you find
more fun. (for me, that would be the multiline.)

cheers,

five

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:

In a local casino one of the best available games is 9/6 DDB. Other choices you might prefer like Jacks or Deuces have far worse paytables.

Assume that a temporary promotion plus incentives brings the return on any DDB game to over 100%.

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

1) A $1 5 Play machine.

2) A single line $5 game. Please ignore 4K tax considerations on this game as well as the other two choices.

3) A 25c 10 Play Ultimate Poker game. Assume no mulitipliers when you arrive, and you play only 50 coins on your very last bet to leave no multipliers behind.

Thanks.

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#7

Bankroll is *ALWAYS* the issue.

If your edge is 0.25%, and you never make a mistake, the Kelly bankroll is about 42/.0025 equals 16,800 bets, or $420,000 at $25/bet. Still think bankroll isn't an issue?

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Bank.htm

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

If your max bet size is $25 and bankroll is not an issue which version of 9/6 DDB would you choose?

#8

I love UX. It's a very streaky game. To make some money, you need either (1) an excellent hand (2) 4-6+ good hands in-a-row.

I wouldn't recommend it for earning points if you hit a bad streak though. On 10x$0.25, I wouldn't let your balance go down more than $300-400 ($100 on 3-play $0.25). Very easy to dump $2,000 in the machine.

Not sure I would recommend playing 5-units on the last hand. What happens if you get a dealt full house (or flush) on the last hand? I've gotten lots of dealt hands with playing 5-units. When playing 10-units (and not just leftover multipliers for 5-units), I usually play until I have no multipliers.

For points, I recommend video black jack (a) 3/2 or 6/5 virtual dealer with surrender (b) 1/1 with surrender and insurance. I use press-strategies like 1-3-2-4-5 to generate more points (e.g. press won't help the bankroll unless you win 5+ in a row, but it generates more play).

Mitchell

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

i'd play the 10x$0.25 Ultimate X 9/6 DDB, because it returns far more
than standard DDB when played properly (99.86% vs 98.98%).

anyone who has not analyzed and studied the (frankly bizarre) UX
strategy adjustments should go with the standard game

#9

Your point is valid. But my post was meant to remove that factor as a consideration of game choice. My question was not if a $25/play bet was affordable or how much bankroll was needed. I simply wanted to see which game was preferable.

The reasoning vpFREE members expressed both here and privately regarding game choice is appreciated.

Adding Ultimate X 9/6 DDB as the 3rd option was a bit like mixing apples amd oranges. And, learning perfect strategy for that particular game might be impossible. We all agree that sneakily peeking at written notes for a too-complex strategy during play is something a casino would discourage.

I am also skeptical that any of the new "multiplier" games in general were introduced to give the player an advantage. More likely, the manufacturer sold the idea to casinos with data demonstrating that most players will go broke faster paying for the multiplier than in a standard game.

Still, there are rare exceptions. One of you reported that a player in Detriot on a $1 Ultimate 10 Play was machine dealt a royal with the 4X multiplier on every hand.. Ahhh ... $160K. That made Ultimate X merit a bit of consideration, I'd say.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Bankroll is *ALWAYS* the issue.

If your edge is 0.25%, and you never make a mistake, the Kelly bankroll is about 42/.0025 equals 16,800 bets, or $420,000 at $25/bet. Still think bankroll isn't an issue?

#10

Where can I find the 9/6 DDB Ult x in Vegas. Most are 9/5 ?
thanks in advance...Tom

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----- Original Message ----- From: "fivespot" <fivespot55@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Which Would You Play?

i'd play the 10x$0.25 Ultimate X 9/6 DDB, because it returns far more
than standard DDB when played properly (99.86% vs 98.98%). whatever
promo and incentives are making standard DDB over 100% should make the
UX variant far better than that; i can give up 0.1% or 0.2% in
increased errors and still come out ahead on the UX choice.