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Which approach is better? (reposted with correction)

#1

I have a question about playing 5-play nickel VP versus single play
quarter. With a daily bankroll to support 6 hours of play per day
using the same bet amount, $1.25 per play, for the same games having
the same pay tables, which might have better results? Is it better to
go with 5-play nickels and see more hands, or would single play quarter
with a higher return on winning hands be better? I tend to play
single play quarters and my wife likes multi-play nickel VP. I've
wondered if there's an advantage to one approach over the other and
would like to hear opinions.

Thanks in advance for your answers.

#2

It all depends on your objectives.

1st. Long term it makes no difference, your results
will be identical after 23 gazillion hands.

2nd. If your objective is to get the longest play
without losing your daily bankroll, go with the nickel
machines. The swings will be smaller.

3rd. If your objective is the big score, go with the
single line quarters. On multi-play nickels your only
big hit can only come with a dealt royal, on quarters
it comes with any Royal .

4th. The ever elusive enjoyment factor. What do you
enjoy playing the most ?

Have fun

Regards
A.P.

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--- Jack LaMonica <jalamon@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have a question about playing 5-play nickel VP
versus single play
quarter. With a daily bankroll to support 6 hours of
play per day
using the same bet amount, $1.25 per play, for the
same games having
the same pay tables, which might have better
results? Is it better to
go with 5-play nickels and see more hands, or would
single play quarter
with a higher return on winning hands be better? I
tend to play
single play quarters and my wife likes multi-play
nickel VP. I've
wondered if there's an advantage to one approach
over the other and
would like to hear opinions.

Thanks in advance for your answers.

#3

Thanks for your views.

I guess I have both objectives; to play the full day without losing my
daily bankroll and to end up with the best result I can.

The last few trips to Vegas my wife has done better on multi-play
nickels than I've done on single play quarters. Like you said the
swings do seem to be smaller for her because she tends to hit good
hands more often with the multi-play games. She also got dealt 4 aces
on double bonus twice on the same day last trip, so her winnings ended
up good too.

I guess what got me thinking about this was that ever since I started
playing quarters I haven't hit a Royal. When I used to play
multi-play nickels, I think I hit a Royal on every Vegas trip. I've
come close with some dealt 4 card royals on single line quarters, but
didn't hit it on the draw. Exciting though to get close. I thought
maybe because of our relatively low daily bankroll, that the lower
number of hands I see using quarters might be a factor.

Your fourth point is key though. I switched to quarter single play
because of the exciting possibility of a big score with a Royal. The
thrill of that possibility has me enjoying single line more, so that's
what I'll stick with. Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Jack

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:

It all depends on your objectives.

1st. Long term it makes no difference, your results
will be identical after 23 gazillion hands.

2nd. If your objective is to get the longest play
without losing your daily bankroll, go with the nickel
machines. The swings will be smaller.

3rd. If your objective is the big score, go with the
single line quarters. On multi-play nickels your only
big hit can only come with a dealt royal, on quarters
it comes with any Royal .

4th. The ever elusive enjoyment factor. What do you
enjoy playing the most ?

Have fun

Regards
A.P.
  
--- Jack LaMonica <jalamon@...> wrote:

> I have a question about playing 5-play nickel VP
> versus single play
> quarter. With a daily bankroll to support 6 hours of
> play per day
> using the same bet amount, $1.25 per play, for the
> same games having
> the same pay tables, which might have better
> results? Is it better to
> go with 5-play nickels and see more hands, or would
> single play quarter
> with a higher return on winning hands be better? I
> tend to play
> single play quarters and my wife likes multi-play
> nickel VP. I've
> wondered if there's an advantage to one approach
> over the other and
> would like to hear opinions.
>
> Thanks in advance for your answers.

#4

Thanks for your views.

I guess I have both objectives; to play the full day without losing

my

daily bankroll and to end up with the best result I can.

The last few trips to Vegas my wife has done better on multi-play
nickels than I've done on single play quarters. Like you said the
swings do seem to be smaller for her because she tends to hit good
hands more often with the multi-play games. She also got dealt 4

aces

on double bonus twice on the same day last trip, so her winnings

ended

up good too.

I guess what got me thinking about this was that ever since I

started

playing quarters I haven't hit a Royal. When I used to play
multi-play nickels, I think I hit a Royal on every Vegas trip. I've
come close with some dealt 4 card royals on single line quarters,

but

didn't hit it on the draw. Exciting though to get close. I thought
maybe because of our relatively low daily bankroll, that the lower
number of hands I see using quarters might be a factor.

Your fourth point is key though. I switched to quarter single play
because of the exciting possibility of a big score with a Royal.

The

thrill of that possibility has me enjoying single line more, so

that's

what I'll stick with. Thanks for your help.

I also doubt that your wife is playing paytables that are as good as
the ones you find in your single-line quarter play. Multiline VP is
almost always short-pay these days, and denominations below .25 are
often BRUTALLY short-pay. I can't think of anyplace in Vegas where
she could be playing FULLPAY (10/7) Double Bonus for nickels on a
multiline game, but there are dozens of places where you could be
playing 10/7 .25 on a single-line.

So the difference is much more stark: you pay a heavy penalty for
playing that $1.25/hand on short-pay nickel multiline instead of
fullpay single-line. To illustrate: playing 9/7 DB (which would
actually be a pretty decent game, on a relative basis, for nickels)
returns about 99%; playing 10/7 DB is essentially breakeven
(100.15%). If you play a modest 600 hands/hour, then the 9/7 DB loses
$7.50/hr while the 10/7 breaks even. If the nickel paytable is 9/6,
then the loss is $15/hr.

The shorter wait for a big hand is what makes multi-line games so
much fun; the casinos have perceived that, and penalize players by
raping the paytables on multi-liners. If you are playing short-pay
multi-line games when a fullpay single-line alternative is available
for the same amount of coin-in per hand, then you are paying heavily
for that fun.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jack LaMonica" <jalamon@...> wrote:

#5

Very good point about the short pay nickel multi-play games. That's
exactly what we've run into. In the past we've only stayed in places
on the strip, so 9/6 nickel multi-play double bonus is what my wife
has been playing. Depending on which strip casino we're staying in, I
usually play quarter single line 7/5 or 8/5 bonus poker.

This time we'll be staying at Red Rock, so I'm practicing 10/7 double
bonus and hoping my wife will find better nickel multiline DB pay
tables there. Maybe the 9/7 that you mentioned.

That's another good reason for me to stick with single-line quarters.
Thanks for your comments.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jack LaMonica" <jalamon@> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your views.
>
> I guess I have both objectives; to play the full day without losing
my
> daily bankroll and to end up with the best result I can.
>
> The last few trips to Vegas my wife has done better on multi-play
> nickels than I've done on single play quarters. Like you said the
> swings do seem to be smaller for her because she tends to hit good
> hands more often with the multi-play games. She also got dealt 4
aces
> on double bonus twice on the same day last trip, so her winnings
ended
> up good too.
>
> I guess what got me thinking about this was that ever since I
started
> playing quarters I haven't hit a Royal. When I used to play
> multi-play nickels, I think I hit a Royal on every Vegas trip. I've
> come close with some dealt 4 card royals on single line quarters,
but
> didn't hit it on the draw. Exciting though to get close. I thought
> maybe because of our relatively low daily bankroll, that the lower
> number of hands I see using quarters might be a factor.
>
> Your fourth point is key though. I switched to quarter single play
> because of the exciting possibility of a big score with a Royal.
The
> thrill of that possibility has me enjoying single line more, so
that's
> what I'll stick with. Thanks for your help.

I also doubt that your wife is playing paytables that are as good as
the ones you find in your single-line quarter play. Multiline VP is
almost always short-pay these days, and denominations below .25 are
often BRUTALLY short-pay. I can't think of anyplace in Vegas where
she could be playing FULLPAY (10/7) Double Bonus for nickels on a
multiline game, but there are dozens of places where you could be
playing 10/7 .25 on a single-line.

So the difference is much more stark: you pay a heavy penalty for
playing that $1.25/hand on short-pay nickel multiline instead of
fullpay single-line. To illustrate: playing 9/7 DB (which would
actually be a pretty decent game, on a relative basis, for nickels)
returns about 99%; playing 10/7 DB is essentially breakeven
(100.15%). If you play a modest 600 hands/hour, then the 9/7 DB loses
$7.50/hr while the 10/7 breaks even. If the nickel paytable is 9/6,
then the loss is $15/hr.

The shorter wait for a big hand is what makes multi-line games so
much fun; the casinos have perceived that, and penalize players by
raping the paytables on multi-liners. If you are playing short-pay
multi-line games when a fullpay single-line alternative is available
for the same amount of coin-in per hand, then you are paying heavily
for that fun.