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When Do You Try For A SF?

#1

My first taxable jackpot for 2010 was an Ace low SF. I sent the picture to quite a few vpFREE friends humorously complaining I had gotten the "wrong one".

One of the responses intrigued me.

"Why are you even trying to get a SF?"

Despite the math which dictates the cards you choose I'm beginning to wonder.

There are 40 SF combinations in a deck of cards. Of those 40, you subtract the 4 royals and are left with 36 SF hands (assuming no wild cards in the game).

Yet in most VP games a SF returns only 250. That's the equivalent payout of a far more common 4K. In the SF I drew I held the A,2 and 4 of Hearts. Isn't there some logic to only holding the ace instead of trying for such a longshot?

Any SF is nice to see when you get one. But, especially in multi-play games, I'm not sure it really is worth it to try to draw to that hand.

Your thoughts?

#2

Believe the math

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:

My first taxable jackpot for 2010 was an Ace low SF. I sent the picture to
quite a few vpFREE friends humorously complaining I had gotten the "wrong
one".

One of the responses intrigued me.

"Why are you even trying to get a SF?"

Despite the math which dictates the cards you choose I'm beginning to
wonder.

There are 40 SF combinations in a deck of cards. Of those 40, you subtract
the 4 royals and are left with 36 SF hands (assuming no wild cards in the
game).

Yet in most VP games a SF returns only 250. That's the equivalent payout of
a far more common 4K. In the SF I drew I held the A,2 and 4 of Hearts. Isn't
there some logic to only holding the ace instead of trying for such a
longshot?

Any SF is nice to see when you get one. But, especially in multi-play
games, I'm not sure it really is worth it to try to draw to that hand.

Your thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#3

First, quads "normally" pay 25 for 1 (JOB), 250 is on the bonus varieties (which I know we both prefer)
Second, the SF is not your only possible winner: you have all flushes, all straights and 3 A's as possible winners with that hold hand. So Its really not a bad hold at all.
Funnily enough, on my last trip I hit a SF on a 4-6-8 hold on a $1 DDB machine that was red hot for me on a "feeling". I threw away QJ, the next higher rated hand because I just felt "Straight Flush". The 5 & 7 popped up, in sequence 4-5-6-7-8. I was playing 10 coins in, so it was a Mohegan Sun hand pay.

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From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 1:37:51 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] When Do You Try For A SF?

My first taxable jackpot for 2010 was an Ace low SF. I sent the picture to quite a few vpFREE friends humorously complaining I had gotten the "wrong one".

One of the responses intrigued me.

"Why are you even trying to get a SF?"

Despite the math which dictates the cards you choose I'm beginning to wonder.

There are 40 SF combinations in a deck of cards. Of those 40, you subtract the 4 royals and are left with 36 SF hands (assuming no wild cards in the game).

Yet in most VP games a SF returns only 250. That's the equivalent payout of a far more common 4K. In the SF I drew I held the A,2 and 4 of Hearts. Isn't there some logic to only holding the ace instead of trying for such a longshot?

Any SF is nice to see when you get one. But, especially in multi-play games, I'm not sure it really is worth it to try to draw to that hand.

Your thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

you're not drawing to a SF. you're drawing to a flush, or a straight,
with a pair of aces or various junk as backup possibilities. if you
happen to get a SF, that's just a bonus.

what were you playing, DDB? if there were no such thing as a SF, and
Ah 2h 3h 4h 5h just paid 30 coins like any other flush, it'd still be
right to hold Ah 2h 4h instead of just the Ah. try running the
strategy for DDB-but-SF-pays-30 through your software of choice,
you'll see.

there are games where it's right to hold just the ace - Super Aces
comes to mind - but in most games, the value of holding a three-flush
and a three-straight and a high card all at the same time exceeds the
value of the longshot chance at spiking quad aces by drawing four.

cheers,

five

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:37 AM, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yet in most VP games a SF returns only 250. That's the equivalent payout of a far more common 4K. In the SF I drew I held the A,2 and 4 of Hearts. Isn't there some logic to only holding the ace instead of trying for such a longshot?

#5

I would highly recommend for people to take risks and go with feelings as apposed to strictly following the math.

The theo on our games is slowly shrinking over time with all these players following the math and learning strategy.

We need lots more players winging it! My personal thanks to all players out there who do this :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Guru Perf <guruperf@...> wrote:

First, quads "normally" pay 25 for 1 (JOB), 250 is on the bonus varieties (which I know we both prefer)
Second, the SF is not your only possible winner: you have all flushes, all straights and 3 A's as possible winners with that hold hand. So Its really not a bad hold at all.
Funnily enough, on my last trip I hit a SF on a 4-6-8 hold on a $1 DDB machine that was red hot for me on a "feeling". I threw away QJ, the next higher rated hand because I just felt "Straight Flush". The 5 & 7 popped up, in sequence 4-5-6-7-8. I was playing 10 coins in, so it was a Mohegan Sun hand pay.

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From: mikeymic <mikeymic@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 1:37:51 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] When Do You Try For A SF?

My first taxable jackpot for 2010 was an Ace low SF. I sent the picture to quite a few vpFREE friends humorously complaining I had gotten the "wrong one".

One of the responses intrigued me.

"Why are you even trying to get a SF?"

Despite the math which dictates the cards you choose I'm beginning to wonder.

There are 40 SF combinations in a deck of cards. Of those 40, you subtract the 4 royals and are left with 36 SF hands (assuming no wild cards in the game).

Yet in most VP games a SF returns only 250. That's the equivalent payout of a far more common 4K. In the SF I drew I held the A,2 and 4 of Hearts. Isn't there some logic to only holding the ace instead of trying for such a longshot?

Any SF is nice to see when you get one. But, especially in multi-play games, I'm not sure it really is worth it to try to draw to that hand.

Your thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#6

When do I try for a straight flush ?
1/3 of the real estate of all my 60 strategy sheets answer that very question ! Its a pain , and probably the number one source of penny loss on a close decision, that usually turns up anything but a SF ! Its a necessary evil I guess to always be on the lookout.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "mikeymic" <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] When Do You Try For A SF?

My first taxable jackpot for 2010 was an Ace low SF. I sent the picture to quite a few vpFREE friends humorously complaining I had gotten the "wrong one".

One of the responses intrigued me.

"Why are you even trying to get a SF?"

Despite the math which dictates the cards you choose I'm beginning to wonder.

There are 40 SF combinations in a deck of cards. Of those 40, you subtract the 4 royals and are left with 36 SF hands (assuming no wild cards in the game).

Yet in most VP games a SF returns only 250. That's the equivalent payout of a far more common 4K. In the SF I drew I held the A,2 and 4 of Hearts. Isn't there some logic to only holding the ace instead of trying for such a longshot?

Any SF is nice to see when you get one. But, especially in multi-play games, I'm not sure it really is worth it to try to draw to that hand.

Your thoughts?

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