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What's A Tip and What's A Bribe???

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

> I used the word in reaction to your statement, "I personally have
> problems with inducing an employee to defraud his or
> her employer, but I seem to be the only person on the planet who
feels
> any scruples in that regard."
>
> This implicitly states that all others seem to lack "scruples in that
> regard". You're within your right to disagree that
> "self-righteousness" is applicable in interpreting that statement.
>
> - Harry
>
>>>Once again we must refer to the dictionary: scruples="misgivings"
or "qualms". The term is morally neutral. I could have scruples about
eating grapefruit. So, to restate, since I have never heard from
anyone that they have "scruples" about bribing someone in this
context, I therefore conclude that I might very well be alone in
having such scruples. This observation does NOT cast any aspersions on
those who do not have such scruples. The word gets misused, in that it
is applied to a moralistic context. It's much like the term "attitude"
has grown to mean something negative, as in, "he has an attitude";
this usage is, of course, incorrect.

Using only dictionary definitions can be dangerous. For me, the
concept of "Perception is Reality" applies. No matter what we may
think, it is how others perceive it and react to it that matters. I
may be a hard worker, but if my boss "thinks" I am a slacker, I won't
be working there long. So if the common use of scruples does include
the perception of a moral judgment, then you have to take that into
consideration of how people will react to the statement. If I were to,
without any preceding context, make the statement "She is a B*tch," I
would bet real money that no one will assume that I am speaking about
a female dog, even though that is the first definition listed in most
dictionaries.

Using only dictionary definitions can be dangerous. For me, the
concept of "Perception is Reality" applies. No matter what we may
think, it is how others perceive it and react to it that matters. I
may be a hard worker, but if my boss "thinks" I am a slacker, I won't
be working there long. So if the common use of scruples does include
the perception of a moral judgment, then you have to take that into
consideration of how people will react to the statement. If I were

to,

without any preceding context, make the statement "She is a B*tch," I
would bet real money that no one will assume that I am speaking about
a female dog, even though that is the first definition listed in most
dictionaries.

And in a similar vein, calling someone "self-righteous" could

therefore be construed as an insult, regardless of the dictionary
definition, now, couldn't it??

And in a similar vein, calling someone "self-righteous"
could therefore be construed as an insult, regardless of
the dictionary definition, now, couldn't it??

tral,

Why not let it go. There does not appear to be
an upside in prolonging this ... frankly it makes
you seem, well self-righteous :slight_smile:

Harry I found your explanation of your wordiness to be inadequate could
you touch on the subject at greater length? Feel free to append on any
related topics such as the state of being verbose or just plain verbage
in general. :wink:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

I expect it's understood that my wordiness is in the interest of a
clear, comprehensive presentation, that anticipates any related
questions that might arise ... ideally not simply to "hear myself
talk" (but ego slips through at times ;).

I take some pains to structure my posts so that hopefully it's easy to
skim over anything not of particular interest -- and presume that this
is often done (sometimes to the extent of a 2 second glance and a
sighed "yeah ... yada, yada" ;).

- H. (is a little paralysis setting in ...)

tral,

Why not let it go. There does not appear to be
an upside in prolonging this ... frankly it makes
you seem, well self-righteous :slight_smile:

Why not, indeed--I have this habit of continuing to talk to brick

walls, expecting a response...and if the term "self-righteous", at
least in VpFree Land, refers to my stating my personal ethics (having
been an EMPLOYER may give me a different perspective than most), and
THEN, to objecting to being INSULTED for them, why then, gosh golly,
count me in. I'm VPFREE self-righteous. I admit it. Everybody wins.