Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the
check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?
I am just taking a survey of what members think is appropriate. There
is no right or wrong answer. So, if you think zero, say so. Or, if you
think $10K, say that. But what would you actually tip?
A few $100,s would be it for me. I would give my uncle at least 25% though......
npf15251 <npf15251@yahoo.com> wrote: Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the
check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?
I am just taking a survey of what members think is appropriate. There
is no right or wrong answer. So, if you think zero, say so. Or, if you
think $10K, say that. But what would you actually tip?
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I am a very infrequent poster on here but I will never understand why anybody should be tipped when you are playing a machine. I can see tipping a blackjack dealer if you thought they were lucky or if they were friendly and made the game more enjoyable but why does anybody deserve a penny when you win on a machine? If the machine jams or runs out of money you often have to wait for what seems like forever for an attendant to show up. If they show up to pay you why do they deserve anything? I did not mean to hijack this thread but I just dont get it
Steve LeVine
Michigan
npf15251 wrote:
Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the
check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?I am just taking a survey of what members think is appropriate. There
is no right or wrong answer. So, if you think zero, say so. Or, if you
think $10K, say that. But what would you actually tip?
npf15251 wrote:
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?
Nothing. Zero. Unless they did something to serve me while I was playing the machine. And then, it will be no more than what I would have tipped had I lost.
I am with you, Steve. Then, I am in Wisconsin and we Midwesterners are tight with our money:)
steve84 <steve84@flash.net> wrote:
I am a very infrequent poster on here but I will never understand why
anybody should be tipped when you are playing a machine. I can see
tipping a blackjack dealer if you thought they were lucky or if they
were friendly and made the game more enjoyable but why does anybody
deserve a penny when you win on a machine? If the machine jams or runs
out of money you often have to wait for what seems like forever for an
attendant to show up. If they show up to pay you why do they deserve
anything? I did not mean to hijack this thread but I just dont get it
Steve LeVine
Michigan
npf15251 wrote:
> Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
>
> The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
>
> So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the
> check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?
>
> I am just taking a survey of what members think is appropriate. There
> is no right or wrong answer. So, if you think zero, say so. Or, if you
> think $10K, say that. But what would you actually tip?
>
>
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I wrote this earlier Tuesday,before Jean replied, but the computing firewall at work
rejected my post attempt.
Cut & pasted:
Let me answer on multiple levels.
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Level 1) i don't like the assumption- if I'm on this machine and playing quarters, I must
have a lot of money, so where did I get this money: if it was a big previous jackpot, then
why am I still playing, I should have quit and went to relax in the jacuzzi in my room or at
least moved down to a lower denomination; I hope I haven't lost my marbles.
Level 2) OK, maybe VP is like most addictions where you need more to get the same rush,
so assuming I AM playing 25c 100-play, get the Royal and HOLY CRAP! $100,000?? I am
absolutely OVERWHELMED and people are talking to me but it's a hollow echo chamber
and I don't hear anything they say and they're smiling at me, shaking my hand, AIIIEEEEE!
Then it all goes dark. Whump! I faint.
..--**--.. when I come to, I'm sitting on some comfy couch, a floor manager is hovering
nearby. I have this check in my hand, the floor manager wants me to sign this slip of
paper (my W-2G) and then he says so-and-so will help me get to my room. Tip? I don't
remember. Probably not. I'd check my wallet after they wheel me to my room to see how
much money I have there to go with this big check.
Level 3) Well, after that first dealt RF, I'm a high-limit area regular, I even write books
about VP. I'm much more calm when I hit those big jackpots, ho hum. There are hangers-
on and suckups wherever I go, they all tell me how great I am. Rather than tip attendants
and wait staff and the entourage' for individual jackpots, I toss a steady stream of tips that
keeps everyone around me happy.
Good job giving the fantasy an opportunity....
~MARK in Seattle
--- "npf15251" wrote:
Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the
check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?I am just taking a survey of what members think is appropriate. There
is no right or wrong answer. So, if you think zero, say so. Or, if you
think $10K, say that. But what would you actually tip?
npf15251 wrote:
Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you
the check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting
nearby?I am just taking a survey of what members think is appropriate.
There is no right or wrong answer. So, if you think zero, say so.
Or, if you think $10K, say that. But what would you actually tip?
The circumstances that prompted this question suggest that this may
not be posed in an entirely objective fashion but, setting that aside,
I'll offer up a general take on the question -- which hopefully won't
be received as either gratuitous or condescending.
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It's understandable when you've risked your own money and an attendant
does little more than process a bit of paperwork and fork over some
cash, accompanied by a security guard who's merely taken a modest
stroll, that there can be an inclination to offer up a token tip (if
any) on a jackpot. This is doubly so if you actually show little
profit for the day (or actually a loss). There are one or two things
to be factored.
Slot attendants and many of the other casino employees from whose
services you benefit are members of the service industry. In a manner
similar to a restaurant employees, compensation assumes inclusion of a
certain amount of gratuities from services.
When a player tips an attendant or other employee, they tip for all
services - direct and indirect - that support their play while in the
casino ... not just for handling the jackpot transaction (nor only
those services involving responding to your service light, etc.) Just
as in a restaurant, tipping is discretionary ... but it is customary.
The amount is up to the patron and should be set strictly by what the
patron feels is appropriate; not be some sense of an obligated amount.
It's entirely reasonable that tipping would be guided by circumstance.
For example, one would expect that a $.50 player might tip a larger
portion of a $2K+ handpay than a $5 player might - based in part upon
the frequency of the payout and the proportion of overall return the
handpay represents. Many other factors come into play, so that it's
unreasonable to think that there might be any type of "rule of thumb"
that might be applied to jackpot tipping.
I see just one directional compass where it comes to tipping -- do so
according to what is comfortable and satisfying (and never out of
obligation) ... but accept that your attendant is compensated with the
assumption that they will be tipped. As such, it's an expected (but
not mandatory) surcharge on play (with some analogy to restaurant
service appropriate).
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Extending jackpot tipping beyond immediate attendants is an
extraordinary gesture (as in, not the norm). But when one enjoys a
win that runs outside the usual norm (as Jean's did, in this case) it
invites a sharing of the wealth with those who you most appreciate.
Still, it's important to be circumspect. The unusually large win
doesn't represent a windfall -- it's necessarily commensurate to the
risk undertaken in the play and is a component of the underlying
bankroll drain between such extraordinary hits.
(As an aside, FWIW, with respect to Jean's reported "largess" on the
occasion of her win, she hardly has the reputation of being
extravagant with cash. I have no doubt her gestures were very
deliberative and entirely consistent with a frugal philosophy that has
a "big picture" focus.)
- Harry
Jean & Brad are from the Midwest.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Money Works <worksforthemoney@...> wrote:
I am with you, Steve. Then, I am in Wisconsin and we Midwesterners
are tight with our money:)
Many high limit players wouldn't leave a quarter. Pro, non-pro, they
just feel like the help are nothing more than indentured servants.
If this were my deal, it depends on a few factors. Generally,
$300-$500. Unless it's Bellagio, then they get stiffed. They're not
thanking you for less than $1K, anyway.
Palms would probably be in the lower range, but a couple of friendly
supervisors and my host would likely be remembered as well.
The real question is what happens to the theo on the game after this
blessed event. It's a very generous one, which is why Brad was playing
it.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@...> wrote:
Assume a 25c 100 Play machine deals you a royal in Hearts.
The machine just dealt you a $100,000 hand. Yes, it can happen.
So what (and who) do you tip on that? The person that presents you the
check? Other casino bystanders? The cocktail waitress flirting nearby?
So far, I've seen tips ranging from zero up to Jean's $500+. I've
also seen terms like compassion used.
But I sort of feel the attendants involved have a role in their own
fate. Recently I was playing the "lone" full-pay $5 machine at the
Flamingo. I won $1250 (drew a straight flush) and tipped $5. I was
down for the day and trip, so in my case that was "all she wrote".
Meanwhile, a man on a short-pay machine three to the left of me was
playing 9-6-4 $5 DB (ugh) and got the four aces for $4000.
He was eventually paid, and the attendant literally stood and waited
to be tipped. He kept asking the gentleman, "Will there be anything
else today?" and other stalling techniques. The winner eventually
gave in and threw him a few 20's.
In this scenario, unlike Jean's, I would refuse to be intimidated
into giving a gratuiuty. My experience shows that after most hand-
pays attendants will actually start to walk away from you. At that
point, I will stop them and offer a tip already calculated and in my
hand.
So my next question on this topic: Can you be intimidated into a tip?
You mean after giving someone who may not be in this country legally
your photo ID and SSN? Yeah, a tip might be called for - insurance
against identity theft?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@...> wrote:
So my next question on this topic: Can you be intimidated into a tip?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
> So my next question on this topic: Can you be intimidated into a
tip?
You mean after giving someone who may not be in this country legally
your photo ID and SSN? Yeah, a tip might be called for - insurance
against identity theft?
Actually, you raise an interesting point I hadn't considered when
making my initial post.
What implications are there for identity theft potential when we hand
over our identification in a casino? I know of a woman who applied for
a car loan but ended up not taking possession of the vehicle. A few
months later she discovered several credit cards opened up in her name
but mailed to a different address. It only took one unscrupulous
employee of the car dealership to cause this painful situation. And
the efforts and time it will take for the woman to clear up this mess
are staggering.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@> wrote:
npf15251 wrote:
So my next question on this topic: Can you be intimidated into a tip?
Or, you might ask analogously, "Are you a fool?"
Ok! My first posting here.
For VP, what's the point of a tip??
Look, I'll tip the girl that brings me my drink, the bell
guy that totes my bag, or the pizza guy that brings me food, the taxi
driver, etc., but it was a machine that randomly paid off. Why am I
tipping someone that had absolutely nothing to do with the event?
Seems silly to me.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@...> wrote:
So far, I've seen tips ranging from zero up to Jean's $500+. I've
also seen terms like compassion used.But I sort of feel the attendants involved have a role in their own
fate. Recently I was playing the "lone" full-pay $5 machine at the
Flamingo. I won $1250 (drew a straight flush) and tipped $5. I was
down for the day and trip, so in my case that was "all she wrote".Meanwhile, a man on a short-pay machine three to the left of me was
playing 9-6-4 $5 DB (ugh) and got the four aces for $4000.He was eventually paid, and the attendant literally stood and waited
to be tipped. He kept asking the gentleman, "Will there be anything
else today?" and other stalling techniques. The winner eventually
gave in and threw him a few 20's.In this scenario, unlike Jean's, I would refuse to be intimidated
into giving a gratuiuty. My experience shows that after most hand-
pays attendants will actually start to walk away from you. At that
point, I will stop them and offer a tip already calculated and in my
hand.So my next question on this topic: Can you be intimidated into a tip?
"Ok! My first posting here. For VP, what's the point of a tip?? Look, I'll tip the girl that brings me my drink, the bellguy that totes my bag, or the pizza guy that brings me food, the taxidriver, etc., but it was a machine that randomly paid off. Why am Itipping someone that had absolutely nothing to do with the event? Seems silly to me."
They brought you your money!!!!
I am not a big fan of over tipping just because I hit a royal and it seems like a lot of money when in reality it may just get me even. But when I do hit a royal, I allocate .5% for various people -- not all to the people who bring me the money.
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The argument usually proposed is that the person brings you your money and fills out the
necessary paperwork. Thus, in my opinion, there is a job performed. The question remains
(and the answer depends on you ! ) is this job one that is "tipable".
..... bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rholmstedt" <rholmstedt@...> wrote:
For VP, what's the point of a tip??
Look, I'll tip the girl that brings me my drink, the bell
guy that totes my bag, or the pizza guy that brings me food, the taxi
driver, etc., but it was a machine that randomly paid off. Why am I
tipping someone that had absolutely nothing to do with the event?
Seems silly to me.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:
>
> For VP, what's the point of a tip??
>
> Look, I'll tip the girl that brings me my drink, the bell
> guy that totes my bag, or the pizza guy that brings me food, the
taxi
> driver, etc., but it was a machine that randomly paid off. Why
am I
> tipping someone that had absolutely nothing to do with the event?
> Seems silly to me.
>The argument usually proposed is that the person brings you your
money and fills out the
necessary paperwork. Thus, in my opinion, there is a job
performed. The question remains
(and the answer depends on you ! ) is this job one that
is "tipable".
..... bl
Let the IRS tip them. When all is said and done, There the only ones
really making any money.
The
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rholmstedt" <rholmstedt@> wrote: