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What would you have done?

#1

The assumption is that the warned players were completely aware of the extra
points, and were knowingly taking advantage of the situation. In the case I
mention below, this was absolutely correct.

A couple of years ago at the Hard Rock, I happened to see a pro I knew
playing dollar 50-play in HL. I was aware that the best game on that machine was
7/5 Bonus Poker, a 98.01% game. Cash back points were worth .50%, so the pro
was apparently playing a hugely negative game for $250 per hand, and I knew
that this absolutely could not be so! I was able to find out later that the
machine was giving 5X points, or 2.5% CB, for a total ER of 100.51%. Not a huge
edge, but a nice play on a machine through which you could run maybe
$100,000/hour!

The HR discovered the error, and took away the extra points earned on the
machine. And the involved players were warned not to take similar advantage
again.

I got most of this third hand. If any of the involved players would like to
correct anything I got wrong, please feel free to do so.

Brian

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In a message dated 8/5/2006 2:38:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Adams_Myth@HotMail.Com writes:

Taking away the points once given is itself bad; why "warn" the player?
It is not as if the player manipulated the machine into giving the
points.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#2

I agree that it is ethically wrong to receive something that you
haven't earned, but we are talking about Ethics, in a Casino!

A Myth

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

The assumption is that the warned players were completely aware of

the extra points, and were knowingly taking advantage of the
situation.

#3

Would this actually workout?

Assuming the pro played on the machine for four hours, and ran $400,000
through the machine. At $250 a hand, this would be 1600 hands. Or would
it be considered 1600 times 50; 80,000 hands?

In either case, this would be considered a short term, right? In the
short term, could he expect to realize the 98% return for the game?
That part of it is still a gamble, isn't it? The 5X points are certain
(even if they are withdrawn later), but the 98% expectation is for
a "long term" play, isn't it?

A couple of years ago at the Hard Rock, I happened to see a pro I

knew playing dollar 50-play in HL. I was aware that the best game on
that machine was 7/5 Bonus Poker, a 98.01% game. Cash back points were
worth .50%, so the pro was apparently playing a hugely negative game
for $250 per hand, and I knew that this absolutely could not be so! I
was able to find out later that the machine was giving 5X points, or
2.5% CB, for a total ER of 100.51%. Not a huge edge, but a nice play
on a machine through which you could run maybe $100,000/hour!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

#4

"""but we are talking about Ethics, in a Casino!"""

Uh...oh...Here comes that thread again. I am waiting for the next post
to say: "It's acceptable for me to blow smoke in your face because I
am in a casino--a place with no ethics."

#5

<<the 98% expectation is for a "long term" play, isn't it?>>

The expectation is the same regardless of the number of hands played. He
will likely get more or less than 98%.

Cogno

#6

Oops, you are right. The expectation is the same for short term, long
term, or for one bet,

I should have said the "realization" at the end of the short term play.

<<the 98% expectation is for a "long term" play, isn't it?>>

The expectation is the same regardless of the number of hands played.

He

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

will likely get more or less than 98%.

Cogno