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What Have I done for HET in Last 72 Hours?

I usuually play in AC, about $300K per trip. My 2006 TR Base is
250,000. However, I only go to Vegas about once a year.

In November I took a 4 day trip to CP and got very ill for first
few days, and didn't play at all until end of trip. On last two
days I played 80K coin in and won about $5K.

My questions is this. CP "chargebacked" (i.e. billed me) for four
tickets to Toni Braxton after I checked out.
Not only were these seats "sight obstructed," but due to a CP billing
SNAFU, I didn't find out about this charge until last week.

Based on my overall play with HET, I'm pissed! My host is AC based
and says she can't do anything about it. I emailed Tom Jenkin, Pres
of Harrah's last week, but so far no response.

I never signed for these tickets. Does anyone know the repercussions
(concerning my relationship with HET), if I dispute this $490 charge
with Mastercard?

Responses are appreciated.

sjs5572z wrote:

I usuually play in AC, about $300K per trip. My 2006 TR Base is
250,000. However, I only go to Vegas about once a year.

In November I took a 4 day trip to CP and got very ill for first
few days, and didn't play at all until end of trip. On last two
days I played 80K coin in and won about $5K.

My questions is this. CP "chargebacked" (i.e. billed me) for four
tickets to Toni Braxton after I checked out.
Not only were these seats "sight obstructed," but due to a CP billing
SNAFU, I didn't find out about this charge until last week.

Based on my overall play with HET, I'm pissed! My host is AC based
and says she can't do anything about it. I emailed Tom Jenkin, Pres
of Harrah's last week, but so far no response.

I never signed for these tickets. Does anyone know the repercussions
(concerning my relationship with HET), if I dispute this $490 charge
with Mastercard?

Consider these comments merely food for thought, for none of them are
authoritative nor founded on strong relevant experience with Harrah's:

On your play is it the case that you have no relationship with a CP
host, even given your infrequent visits. Even if your AC host
"brokered" you CP visit, protocol would be that a CP host would handle
any issue or need while on the property. Even when you don't
anticipate needing the assistance of a host, it's a must to make at
least a brief introduction in the event you do end up needing
something. (Hindsight, of course, is 20/20 and it might well be the
case that you also sought remedy with a CP host but omitted the fact
because it was fruitless.)

I urge you, even though you're back East, to call a Caesars host to
see what they can do for you. Jenkins might ultimately be able to
assist, but if you appeal to a CP host's better nature (rather than
address the matter beligerantly), there is the possibility that they
might be able to intercede based upon prior experience. They're
certainly in the strongest position to do so. (There are occasional
experiences related by players at other prorperties who have had
accomodation made in similar circumstances.)

Bear in mind that a chargeback when a player has been deficient in
their play isn't entirely unusual. However, the base presumption is
that the player simply took advantage of the casino. Given
appropriate explanation, any casino has the leeway to make appropriate
exception.

Understand that one factor will be past profitability (including a
consideration for all comps - RFB/promotions - consumed). If you
represent a good buck on paper, they should bend in your favor (no
guarantees with HET).

With regard to a dispute of the charge -- simply weigh the likely
consequences. It's almost assured that if you should be successful,
HET will look to nail you in some other manner - one that might be
more costly than simply absorbing the charge.

Your likelihood of success in refuting the charge is iffy, at best.
MC will investigate and be told that the comp was contingent upon a
satisfactory play level. To MC, this won't be a matter of fraud --
simply a misunderstanding of the expectations involved. I expect your
true odds are slim at best (but I could well be mistaken). Win or
lose, I think what you risk outweighs the potential immediate gain.

- Harry

First, the advice from Harry Porter is very good.

Second, the main repercussion is that you would very likely lose your 7
Star status and not be able to earn it back.

On the other hand, the corporate policy on 7 Star is to answer "yes"
whenever possible I do believe that if you speak to the CP host that it
will be straightened out .. you have the points and they can be used
for that comp.

I'm presuming that you are not significantly in the "win" column even
at AC. I believe that part of the "vetting" process of 7-stars is that
a person should not be consistently and heavily a financial drain on
HET. Being a little ahead, or winning a huge jackpot now and then,
doesn't seem to matter.

Lavona

I completely agree with Harry's assessment of your unfortunate
situation.

I have personally had two similiar experiences which were corrected
after I appealed the decisions.

In the first instance, I received no satisfaction from my FORMER
host, after I was charged for a couple of room nights. I had been
told previously, that the room would be comped. Since I HAD given
the casino more than the total amount of play required for the room
comp, I was justifibly miffed. The host's excuse was that I had
played on the day of my arrival, thereby dragging my daily average
down to an unacceptable level. Lesson learned!

After I returned home, I emailed the casino Slot Director a note
giving full details of why I thought the room should have been
comped. W/I 24 hours I had a reply from the SD, reversing the room
charges and crediting my credit card account the full amount that
had been charged. I subsequently changed hosts and have had no
further problems at that casino.

The second instance occured when my excellent host was away on
vacation, at the time I was visiting the casino. The room charges
had been pre-comped in advance. At check-out, another host reviewed
my play and refused to comp a small amount of meal charges (less
than $100).

I contacted my host by email when he returned from vacation and
explained what had happened. He immediately picked up the food tab
and apologized for the other host's actions.

I am a MUCH smaller player than you. I can't imagine that you
wouldn't be able to get the ear of some HET suit who would be able
to resolve your problem. It seems to me a better way to tackle this
situation than by contacting the credit card company.

Having just been stricken with the stomach flu bug myself, while in
LV, I sympathize with your plight. I spent almost my entire 2 X
points day, lying in bed! )-:

Good luck!

~Babe~

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

I urge you, even though you're back East, to call a Caesars host to
see what they can do for you. Jenkins might ultimately be able to
assist, but if you appeal to a CP host's better nature (rather than
address the matter beligerantly), there is the possibility that they
might be able to intercede based upon prior experience. They're
certainly in the strongest position to do so. (There are occasional
experiences related by players at other prorperties who have had
accomodation made in similar circumstances.)

sjs5572z wrote:

CP "chargebacked" (i.e. billed me) for four
tickets to Toni Braxton after I checked out. Not only were these
seats "sight obstructed," but due to a CP billing SNAFU, I didn't
find out about this charge until last week.

Based on my overall play with HET, I'm pissed! My host is AC based
and says she can't do anything about it.

I usuually play in AC, about $300K per trip. My 2006 TR Base is
250,000. However, I only go to Vegas about once a year.

In November I took a 4 day trip to CP and got very ill for first
few days, and didn't play at all until end of trip. On last two
days I played 80K coin in and won about $5K.

My questions is this. CP "chargebacked" (i.e. billed me) for four
tickets to Toni Braxton after I checked out.
Not only were these seats "sight obstructed," but due to a CP

billing

SNAFU, I didn't find out about this charge until last week.

Based on my overall play with HET, I'm pissed! My host is AC

based

and says she can't do anything about it. I emailed Tom Jenkin,

Pres

of Harrah's last week, but so far no response.

I never signed for these tickets. Does anyone know the

repercussions

(concerning my relationship with HET), if I dispute this $490

charge

with Mastercard?

Responses are appreciated.

Were the Braxton tickets part of a promotional offer or did you just
ask for them. Did your host say the tickets would be given to you
based on your level of play. If it's a mailed offer they never take
it from your points or charge your credit card. I used my Seven
Stars free trip to Vegas and got a suite at Harrahs for 4 nights and
only gave them 10k in action. It never had any affect on my offers.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sjs5572z" <sjs5572z@...> wrote:

My questions is this. CP "chargebacked" (i.e. billed me) for four
tickets to Toni Braxton after I checked out.
Not only were these seats "sight obstructed," but due to a CP

billing

SNAFU, I didn't find out about this charge until last week.

Based on my overall play with HET, I'm pissed! My host is AC based
and says she can't do anything about it. I emailed Tom Jenkin,

Pres

of Harrah's last week, but so far no response.

I never signed for these tickets. Does anyone know the

repercussions

(concerning my relationship with HET), if I dispute this $490

charge

with Mastercard?

Responses are appreciated.

Hi,

     We had a similar experience with some Celine Dion tickets in
November. We assumed they were comped. When we checked out of
Caesars I was told our bill was zero. A month later a Visa charge
for the two tickets was on our statement along with a partial charge
for Mesa Grill (we had enough comp dollars in our account to cover
Mesa but not Celine. We emailed billingassistance@harrahs.com and
copied our host. Within two days the charges for the Celine tickets
and Mesa Grill were reversed (Mesa was deducted from our comp
account).

     Things worked out for us but we only go to Las Vegas. Our play
is a lot less than yours and on this trip was about half of what we
normally play due to the all the downgrading of the pay tables in
October.

Good Luck. If you get a response from Tom Jenkins pass it on as it
might be interesting???

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sjs5572z" <sjs5572z@...> wrote:

There are definitely cases involving reversal of casino comps that can be
successfully charged back, but this isn't one of them.
Without written proof of the comp that can be faxed to MC, you don't have a
leg.
Casinos frequently use weasel words that, translated to English, mean they
are not promising 100% to pick up the tab.

As for your host who claims "there's nothing she can do", the first thing
you should do is find another host.
Cheerful help when things go wrong is a major feature separating the good
from the mediocre.

TC

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