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Were 13 cards "missing"?

#1

WARNING: This is not your usual upbeat post about tremendous jackpots.

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I used to be a big fan of the Treasure Island. They had $1 FPDW machines right next to the Lookout Cafe. Alas, both the good paytable as well as the Lookout itself are now history.

A few years ago I was seated near a woman playing 9/6 DDB. She looked disgusted.

Soon, I found out why.

"I just put $1,000 in that machine and never even got one four-of-a-kind" she muttered.

I attributed her unusual bad luck as just temporary. Maybe the next round of play would turn things around for her.

Now I realize how naive it was of me to think that. Because after what I experienced Saturday at California's largest Indian casino I'm shaking my head wondering why any of us even bother playing this game.

I'll spare you the financial damage and keep the amount of my loss to myself. After all, you get enough depressing news just reading your local newspaper every morning. And the math wizards will be able to come up with a good estimate anyway.

But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

The games I played were all single-line and included 9/6 Jacks, 9/6 Bonus Deluxe, 9/7 DB and 8/5 Bonus. You may assume about 15 hands per minute. All games were a mixture of $1 and $2 play. And if there is any "upside" to losing, then I'm indeed fortunate I hadn't budgeted for $5 play Saturday and gotten these poor results.

In a strange way, it was near the end that I was actually rooting I would NOT see a 4K. When you experience something this rare, why spoil your day?

#2

About 4,000 hands and no 4ok! (Is my "quick math" correct?) Bummer. The statistics gods were not with you. You certainly have my regrets. :frowning:

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

You may assume about 15 hands per minute.

#3

Been there done that. I managed to get ONE quad of any kind while
playing 5712 hands of single line Super Aces over a two day session. It
shakes you to your core and makes you question the legitimacy of the
machines, but in the end you have to believe in the math. I had a
subsequent visit to the same casino and same machines where in 2000
hands I had 8 quads (including quad Aces) as well as 2 Royals. More
than made up for the earlier drought.

SB

WARNING: This is not your usual upbeat post about tremendous jackpots.

              *************************************

I used to be a big fan of the Treasure Island. They had $1 FPDW

machines right next to the Lookout Cafe. Alas, both the good paytable as
well as the Lookout itself are now history.

A few years ago I was seated near a woman playing 9/6 DDB. She looked

disgusted.

Soon, I found out why.

"I just put $1,000 in that machine and never even got one

four-of-a-kind" she muttered.

I attributed her unusual bad luck as just temporary. Maybe the next

round of play would turn things around for her.

Now I realize how naive it was of me to think that. Because after what

I experienced Saturday at California's largest Indian casino I'm shaking
my head wondering why any of us even bother playing this game.

I'll spare you the financial damage and keep the amount of my loss to

myself. After all, you get enough depressing news just reading your
local newspaper every morning. And the math wizards will be able to come
up with a good estimate anyway.

But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

The games I played were all single-line and included 9/6 Jacks, 9/6

Bonus Deluxe, 9/7 DB and 8/5 Bonus. You may assume about 15 hands per
minute. All games were a mixture of $1 and $2 play. And if there is any
"upside" to losing, then I'm indeed fortunate I hadn't budgeted for $5
play Saturday and gotten these poor results.

In a strange way, it was near the end that I was actually rooting I

would NOT see a 4K. When you experience something this rare, why spoil
your day?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

#4

But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

In round numbers, a 1-in-20,000 worst case session.

I think my worst quad drought was about 3 1/2 hours. If anything, I admire your persistence.

It's hard to be philosophical about such a session. I'd find myself wishing a flat tire on the way to the casino in hindsight.

Best wishes for the next ride in the saddle.

- H.

#5

For what it's worth I have had similar sessions of 3 to 4 hour quad droughts at a 1000 hands an hour. Normally I feel like I have been gutted with a crowbar! For this reason I avoid DDB/SA and other such games unless the play is amazing, the variance justs kills me. In a run like this 15% or 20% loss is quite likely.

My worst every percentage loss (over a large period of time) was on 25c 10/6 DDB where $4K coin in resulted in a $1K loss. I lovely 75% return!

I always give a little laugh when I hear people say DDB is their favorite game. It would seem that most people have WAY stronger stomachs than me when it comes to losses!

This probably doesn't help but... keep you head up and soldier on, the math will work out in the end.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

WARNING: This is not your usual upbeat post about tremendous jackpots.

              *************************************

I used to be a big fan of the Treasure Island. They had $1 FPDW machines right next to the Lookout Cafe. Alas, both the good paytable as well as the Lookout itself are now history.

A few years ago I was seated near a woman playing 9/6 DDB. She looked disgusted.

Soon, I found out why.

"I just put $1,000 in that machine and never even got one four-of-a-kind" she muttered.

I attributed her unusual bad luck as just temporary. Maybe the next round of play would turn things around for her.

Now I realize how naive it was of me to think that. Because after what I experienced Saturday at California's largest Indian casino I'm shaking my head wondering why any of us even bother playing this game.

I'll spare you the financial damage and keep the amount of my loss to myself. After all, you get enough depressing news just reading your local newspaper every morning. And the math wizards will be able to come up with a good estimate anyway.

But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

The games I played were all single-line and included 9/6 Jacks, 9/6 Bonus Deluxe, 9/7 DB and 8/5 Bonus. You may assume about 15 hands per minute. All games were a mixture of $1 and $2 play. And if there is any "upside" to losing, then I'm indeed fortunate I hadn't budgeted for $5 play Saturday and gotten these poor results.

In a strange way, it was near the end that I was actually rooting I would NOT see a 4K. When you experience something this rare, why spoil your day?

#6

Ouch, that hurt just reading about it. I can, and do, empathize with you. Those kind of sessions are devastating - especially psychologically, something like "Stockholm syndrome". You just KNOW that it will turn around soon, and that you'll hit 4 or 5 quads within the next hour or two. But it just doesn't happen.

Unfortunately sounds too much like my overall 2009 results: while there were a few big hits, the year as a whole seemed to have a background sound of a toilet flushing. The only upside is that it does EVENTUALLY turn around. I had a good January, maybe you're on a fiscal year basis, and your turnaround begins February 1st!

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But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

The games I played were all single-line and included 9/6 Jacks, 9/6 Bonus Deluxe, 9/7 DB and 8/5 Bonus. You may assume about 15 hands per minute. All games were a mixture of $1 and $2 play. And if there is any "upside" to losing, then I'm indeed fortunate I hadn't budgeted for $5 play Saturday and gotten these poor results.

In a strange way, it was near the end that I was actually rooting I would NOT see a 4K. When you experience something this rare, why spoil your day?

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#7

I take it you've never played much Pick'em.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

#8

Hope someone in the group can steer me in the right direction:

Several years ago I purchased a copy of Video Poker for Winners on line. I cannot load the program on to the new computer I purchased because it asks me for a serial number (which I lost, since it was so long ago).

Is there a way I can recover the serial number (like maybe in the Windows registry) so I can reload it on to my new machine?

Any help the group can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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#9

E-mail them at videopokerforwinners.com and tell them the problem. They were very helpful to me.

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--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Massy Cimini <ics.captain@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Massy Cimini <ics.captain@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] VPW Help from the Group
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 5:11 PM

Hope someone in the group can steer me in the right direction:

Several years ago I purchased a copy of Video Poker for Winners on line. I cannot load the program on to the new computer I purchased because it asks me for a serial number (which I lost, since it was so long ago).

Is there a way I can recover the serial number (like maybe in the Windows registry) so I can reload it on to my new machine?

Any help the group can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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#10

Bobbartop, that is really not a fair comparison. Quads, FH, F, S, 3--all are more infrequent in Pick'em. The royal cycle for Pick'em is about 8 times what it is for a "normal" vp game. You make it up on the paying 9 and 10 pair combinations.

The return (assuming full pay) and variance make this a very attractive game, particularly if you can combine it with a good cashback/bounce back scenario. I seek it out where ever I can.

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From: bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:12:07 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Were 13 cards "missing"?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

But the details are simply this:

I played for about 4 1/2 hours.

And in all that time I did not draw one single 4K.

Not a one.

I take it you've never played much Pick'em.

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