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Washington State VP, Fl State and NY State

#1

Drive around Fl and there are huge billboards for the Hard Rock stating that they now have VP. I received a mailer from the NY Monticello slots last year with the headline, We Now Have VP. Both of these states have VLT's with match cards based on a lottery or bingo game. Strategy is not a factor because wins are predetermined on the deal.
What could be more misleading then those adds? What other industry could get away with that?
I thought I had read somewhere that Sen McCain was considering introducing legislation that would force the Casinos to accurately describe the type of game and define whether they involved strategy. Anyone else read anything about that lately?

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Let me chime in about the misleading aspect.
Before I knew about class II or III or whatever these VLTs are... (i forget the compact
already), I asked one of the attendants if they had any progressive royals. He said no,
but took the misleading role by saying, "We're working on that...!!"

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#2

Native casino status regarding the types of games permitted are a
moving target. I'd appreciate anyone visiting Hard Rock to see the
type of VP machines. Technically, the only VP machines legal in Class
II states are based on Bingo and do not have a draw, they deal a
"stud" hand based on the Bingo outcome.

By compact, Washington and NY lottery-style machines are as I've
described before. In their on-screen help they will show the
possibility that the outcome will be changed by a genie (IGT) or (I
believe) a "match number" by another manufacturer.

I just spoke to the Hard Rock Tampa and was told that the machines
are, in fact, the Class II stud machines. You may not know, however,
that the Seminole tribe is fighting hard for Class III status even
though Bush refuses to negotiate a compact. When this will be
resolved is unknown, but keep watching.

Senator McCain is an opponent of legalized gaming.

Bill

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At 08:41 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote:

Drive around Fl and there are huge billboards for the Hard Rock
stating that they now have VP. I received a mailer from the NY
Monticello slots last year with the headline, We Now Have VP. Both
of these states have VLT's with match cards based on a lottery or
bingo game. Strategy is not a factor because wins are predetermined
on the deal.
What could be more misleading then those adds? What other industry
could get away with that?
I thought I had read somewhere that Sen McCain was considering
introducing legislation that would force the Casinos to accurately
describe the type of game and define whether they involved strategy.
Anyone else read anything about that lately?

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#3

I just spoke to the Hard Rock Tampa and was told that the machines
are, in fact, the Class II stud machines. You may not know,

however,

that the Seminole tribe is fighting hard for Class III status even
though Bush refuses to negotiate a compact. When this will be
resolved is unknown, but keep watching.

Senator McCain is an opponent of legalized gaming.

Bill

At the Clearwater Tribal Casino near Seattle they recently installed
slots that accept real money ... a first for this casino. The games
appear to be normal slots, but there IS a small bingo card displayed
in the upper left corner. Reading the HELP screen explains what each
slot pattern wins, but never mentions the bingo screen. So a worker
explained the bingo card IS THE ACTUAL GAME being played ... the
other symbols are there to give the impression of a slot machine.
But this fact is never mentioned in the HELP.

It is very easy to be mislead by the VP, and even the slots. In fact
last year I posted on this board a description of the VP, believing
it to be regular Nevada style VP.

Finally, I recently posted that Washington voters will vote in
November on a smoking ban in all public places (restaurants, all
public buildings, etc.). I assumed that meant tribal casinos too,
but a friend tells me otherwise. State laws like this, evidently, do
not apply in tribal casinos, even if they aren't on tribal land. The
law will apply to charity bingo halls, card rooms, off track betting
parlors, race tracks, and myriad other gambling businesses, but not
in tribal casinos! It seems odd to me that state laws control much
of the activity in a tribal casino, but not a non smoking law.

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#4

I am not an expert on this but since Indian Nations are sovereign I
believe that very few, if any, state laws control activity. There are
a number of Federal laws that do pertain. I wonder if this is why
smoking bans and the like cannot be enforced on Tribal lands.

Are there any lawyers out there that know for sure?

Thanks,

B

Finally, I recently posted that Washington voters will vote in
November on a smoking ban in all public places (restaurants, all
public buildings, etc.). I assumed that meant tribal casinos too,
but a friend tells me otherwise. State laws like this, evidently, do
not apply in tribal casinos, even if they aren't on tribal land. The
law will apply to charity bingo halls, card rooms, off track betting
parlors, race tracks, and myriad other gambling businesses, but not
in tribal casinos! It seems odd to me that state laws control much
of the activity in a tribal casino, but not a non smoking law.

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