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Washington State Casinos

The quotation below is taken from the America Casino Guide website
(www.americancasinoguide.com). It seems to explain why several
casinos in Washington offered (or used to offer) regular VP and
slots. I think the 4 casinos mentioned are two in Chewelah, Mill
Creek, and Three Rivers. All 4 are on tribal land in very sparsely
populated areas, miles from a major population center. All 22 of the
other casinos offer "special VP and slots" ... meaning very poor
paybacks (type III presumably). Most of these 22 are in heavily
populated areas in the western part of the state.

One poster said the feds removed the machines from Mill Creek, so
they may have done the same at the other three. I'll check out the
other 3 in a few weeks.

The state recently permitted a casino to be built right in Spokane,
many miles from that tribes reservation in the northeast corner of
Washington. This, in my opinion, violated the basic groundrules, but
it happened anyway ... no doubt a powerplay to force the Spokane
Tribe to conform. This new casino may doom 3 of the 4 casinos
operated by the Spokane tribe due to their remote locations on
reservation land 30-70 miles from Spokane (Mill Creek serves a
different market area).

I wish the state and feds would show some compassion and allow the
Spokanes to offer standard VP and slots ... but of course they
won't. Otherwise people in Spokane area have no incentive to make
the long drive to 3 of their 4 casinos.

I suppose the "cashless system" referred to below allows the state to
monitor (and tax) casino revenues.

All 4 of the Spokane tribe casinos are very small and "low budget"
operations, unlike many of the others. But they do (or did) offer
real slots and VP, so they are (or were) usually busy, fun places to
visit.

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Quote from American Casino Guide:
There are 26 Indian casinos operating in Washington and 22 of these
casinos are affiliated with tribes that have compacts with the state
that allow them to offer table games, as well as special video poker
and video slot machines. These machines aren't allowed to accept
cash. Instead, a cashless system is used whereby you have to go to a
cashier cage, or a kiosk, and buy a smart card which then deducts
losses from, or credits wins to, your account.

Of the state's remaining four casinos, they are affiliated with
the
Spokane Tribe which has an ongoing dispute with the state and are
operating without a compact. All four of their casinos offer regular
spinning-reel slots that accept cash, plus an assortment of table
games.

brumar_lv wrote:
”I suppose the "cashless system" referred to below allows the state to
monitor (and tax) casino revenues.”
Does Washington State really monitor casino revenues, and if so how, and
where are those reports available?

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Does Washington State really monitor casino revenues, and if so

how, and

where are those reports available?

That was just a guess on my part. I assume that since 22 of the
Washington casinos have signed "compacts" with the state, and they
all use essentially the same cashless system, the state is in a
position to monitor revenues. I may be wrong about this. In the
cashless system, the customer input their cash to a central machine,
which dispenses a paper chit which the slots can read. The slot will
print out a chit so you can get any cash you have left at a cashier.
It appears the central machine records gross gambling revenues ...
minus cash dispensed by cashiers is net gambling revenues.

I was wrong when I stated the Mill Creek casino was one of the 4
Spokane tribe casinos. It isn't ... it's run by the Colville tribe.
I was unable to access their web site. It's possible the fed raid
(mentioned by another poster) closed them down. Does anyone know?
Mill Creek also has (had) regular Nevada slots/VP.

I was also wrong when I referred to the Three Rivers Casino ... the
actual name is Two Rivers Casino.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "MHS" <mspevack@m...> wrote:

brumar_lv wrote: “It appears the central machine records gross gambling
revenues ...
minus cash dispensed by cashiers is net gambling revenues.”

With no reports and no audits, whatever figures anyone comes up with are
utterly meaningless.

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This site should answer most questions posed by crious members:

http://www.500nations.com/Washington_Casinos.asp

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "MHS" <mspevack@m...> wrote:
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That was just a guess on my part. I assume that since 22 of the
Washington casinos have signed "compacts" with the state, and they
all use essentially the same cashless system, the state is in a
position to monitor revenues. I may be wrong about this. In the
cashless system, the customer input their cash to a central machine,
which dispenses a paper chit which the slots can read. The slot will
print out a chit so you can get any cash you have left at a cashier.
It appears the central machine records gross gambling revenues ...
minus cash dispensed by cashiers is net gambling revenues.

I was wrong when I stated the Mill Creek casino was one of the 4
Spokane tribe casinos. It isn't ... it's run by the Colville tribe.
I was unable to access their web site. It's possible the fed raid
(mentioned by another poster) closed them down. Does anyone know?
Mill Creek also has (had) regular Nevada slots/VP.

I was also wrong when I referred to the Three Rivers Casino ... the
actual name is Two Rivers Casino.

The casino is called Mill Bay Casino In lake chelan, not mill creek. This is the casino that had "real" slots and video poker but there were removed right before the feds removed them for the tribe. You can read about the tribes that have had there "real" slot machines siezed by US marshalls here at: http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/docs/Tribal/machine_history.htm

Does Washington State really monitor casino revenues, and if so

how, and

where are those reports available?

That was just a guess on my part. I assume that since 22 of the
Washington casinos have signed "compacts" with the state, and they
all use essentially the same cashless system, the state is in a
position to monitor revenues. I may be wrong about this. In the
cashless system, the customer input their cash to a central machine,
which dispenses a paper chit which the slots can read. The slot will
print out a chit so you can get any cash you have left at a cashier.
It appears the central machine records gross gambling revenues ...
minus cash dispensed by cashiers is net gambling revenues.

I was wrong when I stated the Mill Creek casino was one of the 4
Spokane tribe casinos. It isn't ... it's run by the Colville tribe.
I was unable to access their web site. It's possible the fed raid
(mentioned by another poster) closed them down. Does anyone know?
Mill Creek also has (had) regular Nevada slots/VP.

I was also wrong when I referred to the Three Rivers Casino ... the
actual name is Two Rivers Casino.

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Here's the information on the Mill Bay Casino and they *are* still open:

Mill Bay Casino
Colville Confederated Tribes
455 E. Wapato Lake Road (Hwy 150)
MANSON, WA
(800) 648-2946

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I was wrong when I stated the Mill Creek casino was one of the 4
Spokane tribe casinos. It isn't ... it's run by the Colville tribe.
I was unable to access their web site. It's possible the fed raid
(mentioned by another poster) closed them down. Does anyone know?
Mill Creek also has (had) regular Nevada slots/VP.

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The casino is called Mill Bay Casino In lake chelan, not mill

creek. This is the casino that had "real" slots and video poker but
there were removed right before the feds removed them for the tribe.
You can read about the tribes that have had there "real" slot
machines siezed by US marshalls here at:
http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/docs/Tribal/machine_history.htm

Thanks so much for the website reference above ... it explains a lot
about the lengthy legal history regarding Indian gaming in Washington
(since 1988). Also, I'm glad the Mill Bay Casino is still open, but
I assume the old "Nevada Style" slots/VP are now gone.

As far as state controls are concerned, it appears the state
exercises a lot of control, and charges the casinos a great deal to
cover their costs, but they don't call them "taxes". And it appears
the state monitors revenues. I need to check further, but I think
they are reported on the above site.

In the first paragraph discussing the legal history is a reference to
Class III gaming. Is this a reference to the Type III machines
others have described in California casinos? I've included this
paragraph below.

"The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA), passed by Congress in 1988,
permits Tribes to conduct certain types of gaming (Class III) only if
they enter a compact with the state. IGRA requires states to
negotiate in good faith with tribes regarding any form of gaming that
is authorized in the state for any person or purpose."

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