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Below is the rough draft of an article I am writing for a future Frugal Friday's column. I want to be sure my facts are accurate, so I would appreciate any corrections or additional information anyone might have. If you are the anal editor type, you can even give me hints for better structure, grammar, etc. :slight_smile:

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Slot Club Changes

Harrahs slot club made a change as of the first of this year: There will no longer be any combining of accounts for determining tier status (which some Harrah's properties allowed in 2006 and prior) or marketing offers. Although not all Harrahs properties have the same policies or promotional details, it looks like the mother company is trying to achieve standardization in as many "children" as possible. Of course, with the sale of the company looming in the future, who knows how much will change. Probably so much that it will set back my retirement a year or two as I try to keep you posted!

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Station Casinos' monthly mailer change: It is now based on 90 days instead of 3 months. For example, the December mailer was based on play from August 3 thru October 31.

This new policy was put in place last May. I was surprised when I found out about it just last month; Stations is usually pretty good in announcing major changes. This time they never notified players, by individual letter or signs or in any other way. One might not notice this until he plays
sometime on the 1st or 2nd of a month and later finds one or more of his
monthly mailers have decreased.

I hate it when casinos do sneaky things like this. Of course, they can do
anything they want - but a good PR move is to let players know of changes,
especially when they have been doing something routinely for many years. But why change a logical system to an illogical one in the first place?

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The Gold Coast has now joined the Orleans and the Suncoast in giving monthly bounce-back rewards in the form of free play that you download from your players card (and must play through at least once), rather than in cash you pick up when you take the mailer coupon to a change booth.

Rewarding with free play is a strong casino trend as casinos are quickly updating their machines to give this option. All of the former Mandalay Bay properties went from cashback to free play as they were absorbed into the MGM Mirage company, which had already been changing over completely to free play at their properties.

Right now you can get same-day cashback at the Cannery, Venetian, Hard Rock, and Tuscany, but bounce-back is in free play. Ellis Island has both same-day and bounce-back cash. Stations, the Palms, and Silverton have comps instead of cashback and their bounce-back is in free play. You can use your points for comps at Harrahs properties, but in some (like in Vegas) you do get cash in the mail. Their bounce-back for Vegas locals is in cash, but requires a minimum amount of play. Wynn advertises "cashback" but it's given at the machine in free play, as is their bounce back to Vegas locals.

I predict that within a few years most casinos will no longer give cash rewards, either as same-day ones or bounce-back ones. It's to the casino's advantage to give free Play: "Breakage" (free play not redeemed) is a bigger percent. Once people play through the free play, many are tempted to play until they hit a big jackpot or until it's all gone, the latter being the most frequent happening. And, finally, if free play is used at a less-than-100% machine, the free play theoretical worth is reduced by the casino's edge.

If savvy players are only going to redeem the free play without playing any additional hands, they will redeem their free play at the highest-percentage game they can find. If we're collecting free play when we're playing anyway, we count it merely as part of our bankroll and therefore it has full value for us.
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Jean $锟給tt - "FRUGAL VIDEO POKER"
This new book (autographed) and other
聽聽聽frugal products are now available at my
聽聽聽new Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.
聽聽聽E-mail address is queenofcomps@cox.net.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "queenofcomps" <queenofcomps@...>
wrote:

I predict that within a few years most casinos will no longer give

cash

rewards, either as same-day ones or bounce-back ones. It's to the

casino's

advantage to give free Play: "Breakage" (free play not redeemed)

is
a

bigger percent. Once people play through the free play, many are

tempted to

play until they hit a big jackpot or until it's all gone, the

latter
being

the most frequent happening. And, finally, if free play is used at

a

less-than-100% machine, the free play theoretical worth is reduced

by
the

casino's edge.

I'm a pretty anal guy myself, so I'll ask this question. With free
play, do comps accumulate normally? For example, assume $25 in free
play. Do you earn comp points when playing those $25? Maybe the
casino computer is smart enough not to rack up comps for free play.
If not, a "positive play" might actually be negative. My wife and I
have been granted free play each week for the past 3 months, but
this question didn't occur to me until now.

It depends on the way that free play is issued.

At places like the Palms, Tuscany, Silverton, etc., where you download your
free play to the machine in advance of placing your bets, then yes, you do
earn points/comps/cashback on your free play, so you are in essence
double-dipping.

At places like Station, Fiesta and Wynn, where you have to put in your own
cash for the first bet, and then are refunded your free play in increments
after the conclusion of each bet, you do not earn points/comps/cashback.

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On 1/5/07, brumar_lv <brumar_lv@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'm a pretty anal guy myself, so I'll ask this question. With free
play, do comps accumulate normally? For example, assume $25 in free
play. Do you earn comp points when playing those $25? Maybe the
casino computer is smart enough not to rack up comps for free play.
If not, a "positive play" might actually be negative. My wife and I
have been granted free play each week for the past 3 months, but
this question didn't occur to me until now.

--
Jay Fenster
Open Road Publishing
* * *
Author, "Open Road's Best of Las Vegas"

Visit Open Road's Best of Las Vegas Blog
http://www.thebestoflasvegas.us

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With free

play, do comps accumulate normally? For example, assume $25 in free
play. Do you earn comp points when playing those $25?

At Coast Casinos, the answer is yes. At Stations, I am nearly certain the answer is no. I don't know about other casinos.
-- Steve in LV

I don't think this is correct.- Wynn, Stations, MGM all use the same
underlying software which is the Acres bonusing system. Remember
those sytems require you to put money in first, so the first dollars
are yours and your are comped on playing through those. It
then "reimburses" you for the bet in credits that you are free to
cash out or replay. If you replay the credits just put in the
machine from free play, you get comped on that too because it is
live money at that point. You could have cashed out.

I would have more doubts about the Palms than the above systems, but
I guess it is easy enough to check.

It depends on the way that free play is issued.

At places like the Palms, Tuscany, Silverton, etc., where you

download your

free play to the machine in advance of placing your bets, then

yes, you do

earn points/comps/cashback on your free play, so you are in essence
double-dipping.

At places like Station, Fiesta and Wynn, where you have to put in

your own

cash for the first bet, and then are refunded your free play in

increments

after the conclusion of each bet, you do not earn

points/comps/cashback.

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Fenster" <gambling@...> wrote:

On 1/5/07, brumar_lv <brumar_lv@...> wrote:

I'm a pretty anal guy myself, so I'll ask this question. With free
play, do comps accumulate normally? For example, assume $25 in free
play. Do you earn comp points when playing those $25? Maybe the
casino computer is smart enough not to rack up comps for free play.
If not, a "positive play" might actually be negative. My wife and I
have been granted free play each week for the past 3 months, but
this question didn't occur to me until now.

--
Jay Fenster
Open Road Publishing
* * *
Author, "Open Road's Best of Las Vegas"

Visit Open Road's Best of Las Vegas Blog
http://www.thebestoflasvegas.us

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I don't think this is correct.- Wynn, Stations, MGM all use the

same

underlying software which is the Acres bonusing system. Remember
those sytems require you to put money in first, so the first

dollars

are yours and your are comped on playing through those. It
then "reimburses" you for the bet in credits that you are free to
cash out or replay. If you replay the credits just put in the
machine from free play, you get comped on that too because it is
live money at that point. You could have cashed out.

It's true the Wynn requires you to put in money first, but only the
amount necessary to play your first game. Are you saying that
subsequent games (drawn from the free play fund) don't earn points?
If they do earn points, than how is this different from the Palms?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:

Wow, I knew we had many anal players on this list, but I didn't realize how many were great editors too! (I will be more careful not to send so many hurried sloppy rough- draft posts!) Actually my excuse is that I'm very busy so I do a lot of rough drafts and my editor, Deke Castleman, cleans them up!!!

I made many changes you all suggested. However, some gambling terms do not follow strict grammatical rules. For example, common usage now leaves out the apostrophe in "players" when you refer to players cards or a players club. I think cashback is always one word in common usage no matter how it is used, but I'm not sure about bounce back. The latter is a more recent term and general usage may have not yet settled the issue.

Another factor is that Frugal Fridays is a more casual, chatty column than one in a magazine. I can "get by" with sentence fragments, etc. Online stuff just tends to be less bound by rigid grammar rules.

I will bring up this matter with Deke. He keeps up on all this since he edits so much gambling material, for LVA products and others. And you will see when the final version comes out in a few weeks just what is or is not acceptable.

Thanx to everyone for their input!

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________________________________________
Jean $垄ott - "FRUGAL VIDEO POKER"
This new book (autographed) and other
聽聽聽frugal products are now available at my
聽聽聽new Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.
聽聽聽E-mail address is queenofcomps@cox.net.

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The fact that Wynn, MGM require some money in the machine is
technology issue. The first bet you pay for, you lose it reimburses
you. It is now your money - you could walk - but you bet again -
first your money in the machine is reduced and then the amount of
the wager is paid back - there is really no difference between your
1st bet, your 3rd and your 20th - in all cases you are wagering your
money and will be reimbursed for the bet after completion of the
hand.

You earn comps all wagers cycled through the machine. I don't know
how the Palms works.

>
> I don't think this is correct.- Wynn, Stations, MGM all use the
same
> underlying software which is the Acres bonusing system. Remember
> those sytems require you to put money in first, so the first
dollars
> are yours and your are comped on playing through those. It
> then "reimburses" you for the bet in credits that you are free

to

> cash out or replay. If you replay the credits just put in the
> machine from free play, you get comped on that too because it is
> live money at that point. You could have cashed out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's true the Wynn requires you to put in money first, but only

the

amount necessary to play your first game. Are you saying that
subsequent games (drawn from the free play fund) don't earn

points?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@> wrote:
If they do earn points, than how is this different from the Palms?

You're welcome. Although I'm pretty sure I'm not anal, I often notice
VP players apparently afflicted with anal glaucoma --- the congenital
inability to see that their asses are parked in front of a 9/6 DB
machine while a 10/7 version of the same game sits idle eight feet
away.

Speaking of Deke Castleman, allow me to inform those who don't
already know that your editor is the the author of two of the best
books about Vegas that I've ever read: Whales In The Desert and Las
Vegas (Compass American Guide).

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "queenofcomps" <queenofcomps@...>
wrote:

Wow, I knew we had many anal players on this list, but I didn't

realize how many were great editors too! (I will be more careful not
to send so many hurried sloppy rough- draft posts!) Actually my
excuse is that I'm very busy so I do a lot of rough drafts and my
editor, Deke Castleman, cleans them up!!!

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grammar rules.

Thanx to everyone for their input!

________________________________________
Jean $垄ott - "FRUGAL VIDEO POKER"
This new book (autographed) and other
聽聽聽frugal products are now available at my
聽聽聽new Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.
聽聽聽E-mail address is queenofcomps@...

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