The two new All Star machines in High Limits at Gold Coast have $5 Triple Play 10/6 DDB and 10/7 DB. Have fun!
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Want to get 86'd?
Hasn't Bob D burned them out yet.
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vpking77 wrote --- concerning some $5 multiline 10-7 DB machines at Gold Coast: Hasn't Bob D burned them out yet?
to answer the question directly, I happened to see the original post 5 minutes after it appeared, and I was 5 minutes away from the Gold Coast t that time --- with time to kill. For many reasons --- perhaps I'll write about it some day --- the play didn't interest me.
But I'm very curious about the phrasing of the post quoted above. It appears to imply that I burn out a lot of machines. I wasn't aware that I did this.
While I did play $25 machines at SLS on opening weekend, and do well, and the game was removed a day later, there was a $100 player on the same machines who was further ahead than I was. Still, I wrote about it and some people could conclude I burned out those machines.
But other than that case (which wasn't going to last anyway), what other machines in the past 10 years do you think I have single-handedly burned out? (I can't think of any --- but perhaps you can). And if you can't think of any, why phrase the post this way?
Bob
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But other than that case (which wasn't going to last anyway), what other machines in the past 10 years do you think I have single-handedly burned out? (I can't think of any --- but perhaps you can). And if you can't think of any, why phrase the post this way?
Bob
Since it's a professional's job to burn plays out, it should be taken
as a compliment.
No first hand knowledge. But I heard Bob burned out a vp machine at Wynn LV that paid 400 coins for a straight flush. Also heard he got 86'd after hitting a 100k royal flush.
James Thompson
former HRH Casino Monitor
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:54:31 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Want to get 86'd?
>But other than that case (which wasn't going to last anyway), what other machines in the past 10 years do you think I have single-handedly burned out? (I can't think of any --- but perhaps you can). And if you can't think of any, why phrase the post this way?
Bob
Since it's a professional's job to burn plays out, it should be taken
as a compliment.
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I think the SF pays 500. Still easy to resist?
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On Jan 22, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Bob Dancer bobdancervp@hotmail.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
concerning some $5 multiline 10-7 DB machines at Gold Coast:
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Well all I can say is if Bob doesn't play them someone else will hammer them. Doesn't really matter how many pros they 86 over there. Another one will simply take their place. At that point the casino will cry uncle and change the pay tables.
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JT wrote: No first hand knowledge. But I heard Bob burned out a vp machine at Wynn LV that paid 400 coins for a straight flush. Also heard he got 86'd after hitting a 100k royal flush.
wrong in both cases. The JoB with the 450 sf was a dollar machine. Not interesting to me compared to other plays in town at that time. I was never kicked out from there. I was no-mailed after being dealt a $2 Ten Play royal ($80K) playing 9/6 JoB with the normal sf. The only casinos I've ever been 86'd from are Suncoast and Ellis Island --- and possibly Jerry's Nugget although I never received official notice. I'm hardly unique at being kicked out from those casinos.
Insofar as it being a desire of pros to burn out machines, that usually isn't my goal --- at least in Las Vegas. (If I were out of town and not planning to come back, that might be different.) My goal at SLS was to play as long as I could alertly because it was obvious (to me anyway) that the games couldn't survive. Might as well get while the getting was good. Staying there until the last minute and being the person shoved off the machine when it was closed down was never a goal --- it wasn't that good of a play.
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Thanks for the clarification Bob. I remember the machine was pulled almost immediately though. I'm still a VIP there and was once one of their top tier players in the beginning.
My strategy was to play big there because they didn't have a player database. Those were the good days. I also used one of Bob's techniques and used my food and beverage comp to bring home six bottles of expensive champagne.
James Thompson
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:25:58 -0800
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Want to get 86'd?
JT wrote: No first hand knowledge. But I heard Bob burned out a vp machine at Wynn LV that paid 400 coins for a straight flush. Also heard he got 86'd after hitting a 100k royal flush.
wrong in both cases. The JoB with the 450 sf was a dollar machine. Not interesting to me compared to other plays in town at that time. I was never kicked out from there. I was no-mailed after being dealt a $2 Ten Play royal ($80K) playing 9/6 JoB with the normal sf. The only casinos I've ever been 86'd from are Suncoast and Ellis Island --- and possibly Jerry's Nugget although I never received official notice. I'm hardly unique at being kicked out from those casinos.
Insofar as it being a desire of pros to burn out machines, that usually isn't my goal --- at least in Las Vegas. (If I were out of town and not planning to come back, that might be different.) My goal at SLS was to play as long as I could alertly because it was obvious (to me anyway) that the games couldn't survive. Might as well get while the getting was good. Staying there until the last minute and being the person shoved off the machine when it was closed down was never a goal --- it wasn't that good of a play.
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007 wrote: "Since it's a professional's job to burn plays out, it should be taken
as a compliment."
I would think a "professional's" main concern would be winning the most money. That might or might not involve pyrotechnics. And with a true "pro job" there isn't even a trace. Explosives are usually the sign of amateurs or showoffs.
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Perhaps the most ironic thing about this thread is its mere presence will have more to do with the detriment of the game than the actions of any one individual professional.
REPLY: I may have posted the essence of this before, but see Wiki's summary of the economic theory known as "the tragedy of the commons." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
If one's goal is to make maximum profit for oneself, then one should stay there until one can't stay awake, even if doing that burns out the play.
If one's goal is to let the maximum number of other people make some money from the play, then one should be gentle in order to let the play survive as long as possible.
"We" would all be better off if everyone chose the second option. I'll let others opine on which option a "real pro" would choose.
The GMan
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007 wrote: "Since it's a professional's job to burn plays out, it should be taken
as a compliment."
I would think a "professional's" main concern would be winning the most money. That might or might not involve pyrotechnics. And with a true "pro job" there isn't even a trace. Explosives are usually the sign of amateurs or showoffs.
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I prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stag_hunt as the behavior model.
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Post from night.... "true "pro job" there isn't even a trace".
Exactly. Sometime I see these "pros" bust in, take off their jacket, punch a couple hundreds and play
at such a fast pace it signals, "I'm a pro" to all. Their business like 100%, don't bother me attitude. I'm gonna take the casino for a ride. It's like their first rodeo.
Regular players don't like intimidation from these players who do cause some tourist players to
complain about such other customers. Thus, the jerk pro, not only appears to take $$ from casino.
but harasses paying customers, who do complain sometime. The result, casinos remove playable games sooner.
One guys opinion.......Jeep
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This is valid for many opportunities, ones where it's going to be burned
out no matter what you do. For instance, when the Tuscany (for example)
announces double jackpots, you may as well plan on playing it as hard as
you can.
However, if you find some obscure promotion at some out-of-the-way place,
one where it's much less likely to become discovered by others, you may
decide that milking it is the better option and exploit it more carefully.
I know of examples where considerable money was made over long periods of
time in such situations.
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:34 PM, gleng4444@gmail.com [vpFREE] < vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
If one's goal is to make maximum profit for oneself, then one should
stay there until one can't stay awake, even if doing that burns out the
play.
You have just described the "Prisoner's Dilemma" Failure to understand this concept and act accordingly
will probably lead to the end of civilization as we know it.
It already explains the vast human suffering that still
exists on this planet.
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