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Each and every one of you reads this site for "tips".

Well, here's a good one: Stop giving Harrahs your business until you
get the service you deserve.

I just finished reading on the vpFree Harrahs site the post about
finally solving an issue in six weeks.

SIX WEEKS?

And you're going back?

Any game, including video poker, never really favors us. You can
study day and night, play at near perfection on a close-to 100% game
and still lose plenty. I've done it, you do it, we all do it.

So, you're really only left with the entertainment value of your play
as a sure thing. And, if Harrahs or anyone else puts you through
hoops and hurdles to get what you've earned, then why are you
bothering?

Don't stop gambling - that's your choice and privilege. Just stop
rewarding unsatisfactory service. You have to have the self-respect
to simply walk away.

<<Any game, including video poker, never really favors us. You can
study day and night, play at near perfection on a close-to 100% game
and still lose plenty. I've done it, you do it, we all do it.>>

<<<<So to all experts and more importantly, winning players out there - MY
PLEA FOR INFORMATION - how to play it 'correctly' / 'efficiently'
so that one wins consistently ?>>

I am not responding to just these particular posts, but to many posts of late. I hear a lot of pain in many posts - the pain of losing. And I feel your pain.

Brad and I are in the midst of a very long losing spell ourselves. There are several things that holds us steady: It is not our first long losing stretch and we know that for 16 years they always have ended sooner or later - and that we will sometimes have winning stretches to counterbalance them. We believe in the math - and for 16 years we have proven that the math way works, with profits at the end of each year except one - and that loss was very small. Our 16-year average profit is quite substantial - smaller when we were playing quarters, larger when we went up to higher denominations.

We have done thousands of little things over these 16 years that have contributed to our success - and I have shared most of these with anyone who reads my 3 books. It is surprising how many people ask me questions about how to win but have never read or studied much about gambling. THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET. Gambling for profit (as opposed to gambling just for recreation) is hard work and requires continual study.

However, there is one concept that I consider essential - and I don't think many players really understand. If you want to be a long-term winner, you must ALWAYS play when you have the advantage. That means that the game you are playing (accurately), plus slot club benefits, bounce-back, promotions, etc., etc. must be over 100%. Not almost 100% - OVER. If you are not always playing with an edge, you should expect to lose - and count your lucky stars whenever you get lucky and pull out a winning session. If you are not playing with an edge, you are not an advantage player - you are a recreational gambler. And there is nothing wrong with that - and you can do lots of things to keep your losses from being so big.

Perhaps more important for the advantage player to understand - you must have an adequate bankroll to ride out the ups-and-downs. And if you don't have a large bankroll, you must pick plays with a much higher EV. People ask how long the long-term is. I'll tell you one thing. If you play at 100.1% most people don't have enough money or years left to play to have any good chance of being a winner. You play at 101% and your chances are very good!!!!

Here are the problems I see for most people in playing winning VP:

1. Lack of an adequate bankroll
2. Playing with too thin an edge
3. Not playing accurately (doesn't need to be "perfect," but not making major errors)
4. Not understanding that because so much of your return is contained in rarely-occurring hands, like a royal or smaller jackpot payoffs, you will never win in every session or even in 50% of your sessions. Some experts say you might win on average one session our of three. I'm not sure of the math here - depends on what game you are playing and how much of the return is in jackpots - but even if it is one out of three, there is no regularity here. You can go 10-12 or more sessions without winning . This is why you need a big bankroll.
5. When people don't understand why they are losing, they look for "systems" that promise quick results. The problem with most systems is that they are not math based and they give false hope - then ultimate bankrupcy. For centuries gamblers have been trying to "beat the math" - but the math always wins.

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________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
   for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
   of your questions!

Each and every one of you reads this site for "tips".

Well, here's a good one: Stop giving Harrahs your business until

you

get the service you deserve.

I just finished reading on the vpFree Harrahs site the post about
finally solving an issue in six weeks.

SIX WEEKS?

And you're going back?

I am STUPI-FIED by your response. I was more than pleased with the
diligence of the supervisor to locate the "lost" credits.

I was just trying to share an important "tip" about keeping good
records of your credits.

I have been going to Harrah's properties 40-50 days per year for the
last 6 years. This is the first time I have ever had a problem, and
I couldn't have been happier how it was resolved.

Here in the Houston area, we have become quite accustomed to
problems caused by the aftermath of Katrina and Rita. This just
seemed to be a very small problem in the great scheme of things.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf125" <edifess@...> wrote:

"If you want to be a long-term winner, you must ALWAYS play when you have the advantage."

Jean,

Don't you mean that you must ONLY play when you have the advantage?

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Scott"

Jean,

   Your reply was just excellent. You ought to write a book on the
subject.

   "I want to become a winner, but losing prevents me from becoming
one."
                  --VP Pappy

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@...> wrote:

<<Any game, including video poker, never really favors us. You can
study day and night, play at near perfection on a close-to 100%

game

and still lose plenty. I've done it, you do it, we all do it.>>

<<<<So to all experts and more importantly, winning players out

there - MY

PLEA FOR INFORMATION - how to play it 'correctly' / 'efficiently'
so that one wins consistently ?>>

I am not responding to just these particular posts, but to many

posts of

late. I hear a lot of pain in many posts - the pain of losing.

And I feel

your pain.

Brad and I are in the midst of a very long losing spell

ourselves. There

are several things that holds us steady: It is not our first

long losing

stretch and we know that for 16 years they always have ended

sooner or

later - and that we will sometimes have winning stretches to

counterbalance

them. We believe in the math - and for 16 years we have proven

that the

math way works, with profits at the end of each year except one -

and that

loss was very small. Our 16-year average profit is quite

substantial -

smaller when we were playing quarters, larger when we went up to

higher

denominations.

We have done thousands of little things over these 16 years that

have

contributed to our success - and I have shared most of these with

anyone who

reads my 3 books. It is surprising how many people ask me

questions about

how to win but have never read or studied much about gambling.

THERE IS NO

SILVER BULLET. Gambling for profit (as opposed to gambling just

for

recreation) is hard work and requires continual study.

However, there is one concept that I consider essential - and I

don't think

many players really understand. If you want to be a long-term

winner, you

must ALWAYS play when you have the advantage. That means that the

game you

are playing (accurately), plus slot club benefits, bounce-back,

promotions,

etc., etc. must be over 100%. Not almost 100% - OVER. If you

are not

always playing with an edge, you should expect to lose - and count

your

lucky stars whenever you get lucky and pull out a winning

session. If you

are not playing with an edge, you are not an advantage player -

you are a

recreational gambler. And there is nothing wrong with that - and

you can do

lots of things to keep your losses from being so big.

Perhaps more important for the advantage player to understand -

you must

have an adequate bankroll to ride out the ups-and-downs. And if

you don't

have a large bankroll, you must pick plays with a much higher EV.

People

ask how long the long-term is. I'll tell you one thing. If you

play at

100.1% most people don't have enough money or years left to play

to have any

good chance of being a winner. You play at 101% and your chances

are very

good!!!!

Here are the problems I see for most people in playing winning VP:

1. Lack of an adequate bankroll
2. Playing with too thin an edge
3. Not playing accurately (doesn't need to be "perfect," but not

making

major errors)
4. Not understanding that because so much of your return is

contained in

rarely-occurring hands, like a royal or smaller jackpot payoffs,

you will

never win in every session or even in 50% of your sessions. Some

experts

say you might win on average one session our of three. I'm not

sure of the

math here - depends on what game you are playing and how much of

the return

is in jackpots - but even if it is one out of three, there is no

regularity

here. You can go 10-12 or more sessions without winning . This

is why you

need a big bankroll.
5. When people don't understand why they are losing, they look

for

"systems" that promise quick results. The problem with most

systems is that

they are not math based and they give false hope - then ultimate

bankrupcy.

For centuries gamblers have been trying to "beat the math" - but

the math

always wins.

________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
   for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
   of your questions!

I've had trouble with my bonus credits on multiplier
days at Harrahs (AK-chin). I went to the TR desk and
the supervisor did not let me leave until she had
fixed the problem. The hardest part with Harrahs is
finding the right person to fix the problem. Once that
happens, we've been happy with the results,
Mark

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--- donna461973 <hhall@houston.rr.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf125"
<edifess@...> wrote:
>
> Each and every one of you reads this site for
"tips".
>
> Well, here's a good one: Stop giving Harrahs your
business until
you
> get the service you deserve.
>
> I just finished reading on the vpFree Harrahs site
the post about
> finally solving an issue in six weeks.
>
> SIX WEEKS?
>
> And you're going back?

I am STUPI-FIED by your response. I was more than
pleased with the
diligence of the supervisor to locate the "lost"
credits.

I was just trying to share an important "tip" about
keeping good
records of your credits.

I have been going to Harrah's properties 40-50 days
per year for the
last 6 years. This is the first time I have ever
had a problem, and
I couldn't have been happier how it was resolved.

Here in the Houston area, we have become quite
accustomed to
problems caused by the aftermath of Katrina and
Rita. This just
seemed to be a very small problem in the great
scheme of things.

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On 3/22/06, Dick Kalagher <rkalagher@cox.net> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Scott"
"If you want to be a long-term winner, you must ALWAYS play when you have
the advantage."

Jean,
Don't you mean that you must ONLY play when you have the advantage?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here are the problems I see for most people in playing winning VP:

4. Not understanding that because so much of your return is

contained in

rarely-occurring hands, like a royal or smaller jackpot payoffs,

you will

never win in every session or even in 50% of your sessions. Some

experts

say you might win on average one session our of three. I'm not

sure of the

math here - depends on what game you are playing and how much of

the return

is in jackpots - but even if it is one out of three, there is no

regularity

here. You can go 10-12 or more sessions without winning .

I think that's why I gravitated to Double Double Bonus over time
(and probably why that particular machine multiplied in LV, despite
the introduction of many other varieties)--the intermediate jackpots
are larger, and those good Fours show up frequently enough.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@...> wrote:

,<<Don't you mean that you must ONLY play when you have the advantage?>>

Yes, that's what I meant - wrote that post in a hurry.

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________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
   for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
   of your questions!

Well, if you ALWAYS play when you have an advantage, that means that
once you find a positive game you would never be able to leave your
seat! As much as you may like VP, 24 hours per day / 7 days per week
would get old very fast. Playing ONLY when you have an advantage is a
much easier goal :slight_smile:

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:

What's the difference?

Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote: What's the difference?

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On 3/22/06, Dick Kalagher <rkalagher@cox.net> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Scott"
"If you want to be a long-term winner, you must ALWAYS play when you have
the advantage."

Jean,
Don't you mean that you must ONLY play when you have the advantage?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  If you always play when you have an advantage you will never leave the machine. If you only play when you have the advantage you find the play and play it at your leisure - I think. Kind of a half assed response, huh?
   
  SK

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Another well-put answer, EE. Thanks for clarifying.

(I think we all knew what Jean meant, though.)

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On 3/23/06, eecounter <eecounter@hotmail.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
>
> What's the difference?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, if you ALWAYS play when you have an advantage, that means that
once you find a positive game you would never be able to leave your
seat! As much as you may like VP, 24 hours per day / 7 days per week
would get old very fast. Playing ONLY when you have an advantage is a
much easier goal :slight_smile:

EE

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<< Your reply was just excellent. You ought to write a book on the
subject.>>

You ought to be on Comedy Central!!!!

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________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
   for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
   of your questions!