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W2G ?

I am wondering how many of you have itemized your deductions and used
gambling losses to offset the reported income from W2G's? I have
about $13000 in W2G's. I have pretty good records of daily play,
however, the records do not reflect wins or losses on specific
machines or in specific casinos. Have any of you gotten a "win/loss"
statement from a casino to use when reporting to IRS? I am going to
post this on the Las Vegas boards as well.

Is this subject pertinent to any of you? It's that time of year. If
you have filed such a return has it been audited by IRS?

Thanks and good luck to all,
Nashville Rich

I am wondering how many of you have itemized your deductions and used
gambling losses to offset the reported income from W2G's? I have
about $13000 in W2G's. I have pretty good records of daily play,
however, the records do not reflect wins or losses on specific
machines or in specific casinos. Have any of you gotten a "win/loss"
statement from a casino to use when reporting to IRS? I am going to
post this on the Las Vegas boards as well.

Is this subject pertinent to any of you? It's that time of year. If
you have filed such a return has it been audited by IRS?

Thanks and good luck to all,
Nashville Rich

My experience has been that the IRS is lenient regarding amount of
detail in records. I don't keep track of specific machines, but I do
keep track of type of machine and which casino I played in and I'm
confident, based on the absence of problems I had in an audit in which
I had less detailed records than I keep now, that that would satisfy
the IRS. Most casino statements I've gotten are terribly inaccurate,
and I've never used one with the IRS, but I assume they'll accept
them.

ruskik wrote:

I am wondering how many of you have itemized your deductions and
used gambling losses to offset the reported income from W2G's? I
have about $13000 in W2G's. I have pretty good records of daily
play, however, the records do not reflect wins or losses on specific
machines or in specific casinos. Have any of you gotten a
"win/loss" statement from a casino to use when reporting to IRS? I
am going to post this on the Las Vegas boards as well.

The most authoritative source on this subject I've encountered is,
"Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler" by Jean Scott and Marissa Chien,
EA. I enthusiastically point others who have gambling-related tax
questions to this text.

It can be found at http://frugalgambler.biz/books/tax_help.htm, where
you can pick up an autographed copy for $25.

(LVA members can snag a non-signed copy for $20 at
http://www.greatstuff4gamblers.com )

Concerning "win/loss" statements: Anyone who keeps accurate records
and has checked them against casino-sourced statements will attest
that the statements are notoriously wildly inaccurate. The IRS is no
doubt aware of this. They stipulate that your return be backed up by
a "contemporaneous" log of casino play -- i.e., one that's maintained
at the time of actual play.

- Harry

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson@e...>
wrote:

>I am wondering how many of you have itemized your deductions and

used

>gambling losses to offset the reported income from W2G's? I have
>about $13000 in W2G's. I have pretty good records of daily play,
>however, the records do not reflect wins or losses on specific
>machines or in specific casinos. Have any of you gotten

a "win/loss"

>statement from a casino to use when reporting to IRS? I am going

to

>post this on the Las Vegas boards as well.
>
>Is this subject pertinent to any of you? It's that time of

year. If

>you have filed such a return has it been audited by IRS?
>
>Thanks and good luck to all,
>Nashville Rich

My experience has been that the IRS is lenient regarding amount of
detail in records. I don't keep track of specific machines, but I

do

keep track of type of machine and which casino I played in and I'm
confident, based on the absence of problems I had in an audit in

which

I had less detailed records than I keep now, that that would satisfy
the IRS. Most casino statements I've gotten are terribly

inaccurate,

and I've never used one with the IRS, but I assume they'll accept
them.
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won / loss statements are not acceptable as a primary record , only
as a secondary account to your records & my experience is also irs is
ok with most personal records & yes they are not accurate, (tax court
agrees)

per tax court "records must contain enough information to accurately
determine taxable income & the tax owed on same"

best info irs.gov, look for Pub 17,
& ustaxcourt.gov , use the opinon search feature, MANY MANY opinons
on gambling, such as comps are consider a gift & not taxable,that
having a full time job or bizness ( non gambling) precludes you from
being claiming to be full time gambler, & "I did not keep any
records ,I just know i lost at least that amount" dont fly!!!

dont waste your $ on Ms Scott tax book, too many inaccuracies & it is
a " tax code to hard for you to understand , regulations are too
vauge, too many conflicting regs & only I can possiblley get you thru
the god-awfull maze" bull that some use to sell books, most cpas I
know find it "lacking" & "thin"

Full disclosure & in the issue of fairness: when this book came out I
criticize it & pointed out some errors & was attacked by the co-author
( & only the co-author, NOT Ms Scott)privately & on this site to the
point whre she threaten "to contact her friends at the Las Vegas
Distict Office to audit you if you are so confident" ( it as since
dropped off)

Rest assured tax payers , NOBODY has that kind of pull ,{too bad, i
could use the vacation!!} & if it is ever attempted, people go to
jail!!! But Me & Mr Cardoza, the vegas district director at that
time, are still waiting for the call.
As you can see i might be biased slightly. :wink:

M J