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VPW in mixed mode

#1

Movedtoomuch asked:

Have been playing Dueces Wild for a few days and have tripled my money and then some.

Bob Dancer replied:

Change your "level of difficulty" from "Beginner" to "Mixed", which is our word for random.

I have used the software in mixed mode several times and my results have been higher than expected. Small sample size, no repeats and no exact definition of 'higher', I know. It's on my to do list to run 100 samples of maybe 1000 hands each but I haven't done that yet.

If anyone is interested in doing a run, email me at greeklandjohnny@aol.com. If we can get 20 people to do 5 runs each, we should be able to get it done in a week. Let me know if you are interested. I will volunteer to compile the results.

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#2

My impression based on using the program is you have to forget about
it giving a realistic picture of actual play results. I think reason
for that is that several of the situations presented (especially in
expert mode?) are high EV situations. In the J0B game, for example,
the 4toF vs 3toRF, or the 3toSF vs KQJ10.

#3

greeklandjohnny wrote:

I have used the software in mixed mode several times and my results
have been higher than expected. Small sample size, no repeats and no
exact definition of 'higher', I know. It's on my to do list to run
100 samples of maybe 1000 hands each but I haven't done that yet.

FWIW, I'm fully satisfied that, in Mixed/"random" mode practice,
there's no bias in VPW results.

Anything can happen in the short run. I once joked that winpoker was
"gaffed" because over the course of my first several thousand hands of
practice I couldn't lose, plus was hitting a disproportionate number
of royals on some paytables. Clear evidence of collusion with the
casinos to sucker you in with a player friendly tutor, right? :slight_smile:

- H.

#4

weepstah wrote:

My impression based on using the program is you have to forget about
it giving a realistic picture of actual play results. I think reason
for that is that several of the situations presented (especially in
expert mode?) are high EV situations. In the J0B game, for example,
the 4toF vs 3toRF, or the 3toSF vs KQJ10.

You have the gist, but I'd suggest this might be stated a little more
directly.

Only when practicing in "Mixed" hand mode will the distribution of
dealt hands approximate the frequency with which you see them on a
standard machine in the casino.

Under the various skilled training styles (Beginning, Intermediate,
Advanced), hands are specifically targeted to a desired threshold for
difference between the best hold EV and the 2nd best. The idea is
that the greater that difference, the easier it is to discern the
better hold.

To understand how this impacts hand strength during practice,
recognize that in any strategy listing the highest valued holds are
separated by a large EV difference, whereas the weakest holds have
relatively close EV's.

Beginner practice will disproportionately surface hands that have
strong EV -- a consequence from targeting a sizable EV difference for
the two best holds. You can expect the meter to steadily climb in
Beginner practice of any game.

The converse is true of Advanced practice. Rarely will you find dealt
3K hands (in a non-wild game), or the like. Hands will tend to be
those where all viable holds are weaker than in Beginner practice.

If you're looking to just enjoy casual practice, "Mixed" mode is the
best setting. However, if you're striving to accurately nail
strategy, the progression in VPW practice difficulties provides an
efficient means by which to do so -- including the Test mode, that
gives you a chance to advance yourself at the head of the class and
smacks you back to the rear when you screw up :wink:

- Harry

- Harry

#5

One thing I'll add to this discussion of VPW:

I got tired of getting nailed on some ultra minor errors so I changed
the lowest error boundary to eliminate some of the errors that to me
seemed annoying. It was enough of a change that in DDB (I think) if
I chose to hold two Aces instead of two pair, I wouldn't get the
error. But I noticed that I started continually getting hands with
two aces dealt! Must have been 20 or thirty hands of them almost in
a row! I finally looked at the error list and saw that every one of
my holds was flagged as an error and the software is smart enough
even in "mixed" settings to repeat those types of hands you are
having trouble with! Not sure what the moral of this is, but be
aware of this feature/functionality if you are tempted to dink around
with the error settings!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

greeklandjohnny wrote:
> I have used the software in mixed mode several times and my

results

> have been higher than expected. Small sample size, no repeats

and no

> exact definition of 'higher', I know. It's on my to do list to

run

> 100 samples of maybe 1000 hands each but I haven't done that

yet.

FWIW, I'm fully satisfied that, in Mixed/"random" mode practice,
there's no bias in VPW results.

Anything can happen in the short run. I once joked that winpoker

was

"gaffed" because over the course of my first several thousand hands

of

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practice I couldn't lose, plus was hitting a disproportionate number
of royals on some paytables. Clear evidence of collusion with the
casinos to sucker you in with a player friendly tutor, right? :slight_smile:

- H.