In a message dated 6/3/2007 5:47:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
queenofcomps@cox.net writes:
or they just used these terms to try to cover up the mistake that some tech
had made initially.
But what "mistake" could a tech do to make a machine profitable to a player
other than a generous paytable?
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<<But what "mistake" could a tech do to make a machine profitable to a player
other than a generous paytable?>>
That's what I'm talking about when I say "initial mistake by the casino." Someone told me those were older machines and they thought FPDW was the "default deuce game." I believe that there were 3 machines put in but only one had FPDW - the other two had other deuce schedules, so it was surmised that some tech changed the other two but forgot to change the deuce game on the 3rd one. I don't know this for sure, but I am guessing that Caesars didn't plan to put in $100 FPDW! There was also the rumor, probably started by some executive who was about to lose his job over this, that a player might have bribed a tech to put in the FPDW schedule. I don't see any evidence of that.
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Getinholdon asked: But what "mistake" could a tech do to make a machine
profitable to a player
other than a generous paytable?
There are numerous types of mistakes a tech can make --- depending on
what generation of machine we are talking about. Years ago there were $5
machines (at Caesars) where the bill acceptor recognized $100 bills as
being worth 100 credits --- or $500. Sometimes video poker machines are
categorized as slot machines, which can make the slot club points add up
quickly. Machines can be set to the wrong theoretical.
Bob Dancer
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Just a few FACTS. not RUMORS about this situation. I did make a post
about this situationa few days after all the excitment about Richard
Brodies's blog's "Lion Gates" and his big win experience.
I happened, by accident, to walk into the area where these three
machines were located on that weekend. The first time was on a late
Thursday afternoon. I also went back on Thursday night, Friday
morning and late Friday afternoon.
Fact 1. There were 3 $100 machines, but were all set different.
Only one, the first on the left, had the infamous $100 (3 coin)
FPDW. There was a second machine that was also set at $100 and 3
coins. However, it had a ridiculous pay schedule! I think in set at
ugly deuces 16/13. The middle machine was also $100. However, it
had Airport Deuces (98.91%). Also it did allowed 5 coins ($500).
Fact 2. At least two of the employees knew the one machine was set
at FPDW. I, and a player playing the only $100 FPDW machine, had a
brief humorous converstion with them as to why anyone someone would
play the other 3 coin $100 machine.
Fact 3. Richard Brodies claims, in his Blog, that he had requested a
few $100 FPDW machine with a $300 limit and no royal penaly for 3
coins. He claims in his blog this is his favorite game. I do not
know if he is the source, but, if true, that would obviously mean
they knew what they were doing.
Fact 4. I made 4 stops at the machine over two days. The machine
was open and available for me to play the vist time I saw it! On the
second trip past, the machine was being played. I was asked not to
be anywhere near the machine while that individual was playing. The
employee said that individual does not like anyone near and they were
recording the results. Essentially, I was asked to leave the room!
On trip 3 (Friday morning) there was a blue "out of service" sign on
the machine. This matched my original thought that this was a
special set up for that individual the previous night. However, on
trip 4 (late Frdiay afternoon), I watched an individual get $60,000
(4 deuces). We had a about a 15 minute talk, while the employees
were gone, about his normal play and these and other machines. He
had already had put in over $2 million on these machines that
weekend. He was qualifying for a VIP invite to a winner take all
(limited to 25) $10,000 forum shopping spree. He had already
qualified his wife and each million gave maximum entries (10) per
individual. Our conversation started when he first asked if I was
there for this promotion. Maybe he is one of those now banned! He
said that he normally puts a million through in a session and plays
$25 and higher video poker. I thought it interesting when he
volunteer that over the years he has had over 25 $100,000 royals on
$25 machines. He said he was local and played at The Wynn, The
Venetian and the Station casinos. Once again, at least some
employees knew how the one machine was different! He had a small
conversations about the machine when they returned in order for him
to resume his play. Essentially he expressed thanks to them for the
play opportunity. I left shortly after the emplyees returned to the
machine area.
Fact 5 A few weeks ago I meet an individual at Harrah's Rincon. He
repeated an amazing number of stories (all false rumors) that he
heard about this weekend. I told him of my little experience and how
far off most of these stories (rumors) were.
Above are some facts that should never be ignored when talking about
this incident, weekend, or event! I am not a major part of this
incident, but I happened to witness some of it and these are just a
few FACTS.
Thanks,
Bob
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "queenofcomps" <queenofcomps@...>
wrote:
<<But what "mistake" could a tech do to make a machine profitable
to a
player
other than a generous paytable?>>That's what I'm talking about when I say "initial mistake by the
casino."
Someone told me those were older machines and they thought FPDW was
the
"default deuce game." I believe that there were 3 machines put in
but only
one had FPDW - the other two had other deuce schedules, so it was
surmised
that some tech changed the other two but forgot to change the deuce
game on
the 3rd one. I don't know this for sure, but I am guessing that
Caesars
didn't plan to put in $100 FPDW! There was also the rumor,
probably started
by some executive who was about to lose his job over this, that a
player
might have bribed a tech to put in the FPDW schedule. I don't see
any
evidence of that.
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott
The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.
In a message dated 6/3/2007 5:47:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
queenofcomps@... writes:or they just used these terms to try to cover up the mistake that
some tech had made initially.But what "mistake" could a tech do to make a machine profitable to a
player
other than a generous paytable?
"TOURNAMENT MODE"
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, getinholdon@... wrote:
Machines can be set to the wrong theoretical.
Bob Dancer
Theoretical win is set by management using the player tracking software.
It's not a hardware/firmware function, so techs aren't involved.
Unlike machine payback, theo not only can be set remotely, but always is.
TC
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getinholdon@ wrote:
But what "mistake" could a tech do to make a machine profitable to a
player other than a generous paytable?
nightoftheiguana2000 replied:
"TOURNAMENT MODE"
< Not exactly the type of question I expected would get you to crawl
out from under your rock, iggy ... good to hear from you! >
- H.