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[vpmail2] Update to Caesars and their $100 FPDW

#1

<<Interesting story, Jean. I do have one question, though. In his blog,
Richard said that the Caesars' techs told him that the chip in the machine had been
"set looser" than they had intended, and it would take them several hours to
"tighten it up". What's up with that? Did they mean to change the paytable,
or is the implication that the machine was not dealing randomly?>>

The words "loose" and "tight" are thrown around by many casino employees and you will see it in much casino advertising. Uninformed players will use the terms also, referring to any machine and whether they are hitting good or losing fast.

Educated VP players may use these terms to talk about slot machines but they usually don't use these terms to describe VP machines. We talk about good and bad schedules. These Caesars employees either don't know about the difference in paytables or they were just using common terms they had heard from their superiors or they just used these terms to try to cover up the mistake that some tech had made initially.

It bothers me that some VP experts are starting to use these terms to describe VP machines. I think maybe they are thinking that this will make explanations clearer to the uneducated VP player. But I think it makes them seem unknowledgeable and that they are buying into the commonly-held fallacy that casinos can control how fast you win or lose by a simple quick change of chip. This all DOES have to do with changing chips, but it overlooks the explanation that in regulated jurisdictions like NV, a change of a VP chip entails a change of a paytable too.

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#2

queenofcomps wrote:

This all DOES have to do with changing chips, but it overlooks the
explanation that in regulated jurisdictions like NV, a change of a VP
chip entails a change of a paytable too.

Good discussion, Jean.

There's one subtopic here where I wonder if there isn't a bit of a
misunderstanding. I repeatedly hear it suggested that a chip must be
swapped in order to change paytables.

That may be true, but when you observe the internal set up screens
while an attendant changes machine speed for you (or sound options,
etc.), it becomes clear that the paytables are "switch" selectable
within the configuration menus -- a range of various paytables are
loaded onto the machine for a given game, not just one.

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I remember one occasion a few years ago at MGM when I was having an
attendant speed up a $1 NSUD machine. He hadn't a clue so I was
leading him by the hand through the screens. We inadvertently stepped
into a screen where the paytable itself could be selected and a button
for "100.7%" was prominently sitting in front of me.

For a second or two I contemplated whether I might manage to blithely
steer him through the paytable switch ... I thought better of it :slight_smile:
In truth, I envision that some type of secondary personnel
authorization to close out such a change -- e.g. a key insertion by a
supervisor, or a confirmation via the central SDS -- is necessary, at
the very minimum.

In any case, I'm sure the casinos have VERY precautionary procedures
through which to change paytables or to add/remove selected games.
However, I really don't think a true chip swap is necessary, unless
simply as an added authorization precaution (I could be mistaken).

- Harry

#3

<<However, I really don't think a true chip swap is necessary>>

I think this is true, but I do know it takes a lot of paperwork demanded by the Gaming Commission. We need someone who really knows the answer here, not a lot of guesses.

This issue is going to be very upfront when they start having downloadable games controlled in a central office off the floor.

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Jean $�ott
The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.

#4

Harry Porter wrote regarding chip change for paytables:

In any case, I'm sure the casinos have VERY precautionary procedures
through which to change paytables or to add/remove selected games.
However, I really don't think a true chip swap is necessary, unless
simply as an added authorization precaution (I could be mistaken).

- Harry

I have an IGT multigame (5 games) slant-top machine manufactured 5/93.
It does require an actual chip change for the game and paytable. The
store that I bought it from is trying to get a chip for FPDW for me.
They said when they find one, they can burn a copy. So it must be on an
eprom. I have noticed that on some newer machine the paytable can be
changed from a menu selection. Mine can't.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

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#5

Cielaszyk wrote:

I have an IGT multigame (5 games) slant-top machine manufactured 5/93.
It does require an actual chip change for the game and paytable.

Yeah ... something tell me that unless it's been retrofitted it
doesn't have a ticket printer either :wink: (A multigame back in '93 was
damned "state of the art" though!)

- H.

#6

When this takes place I see a LOT of problems for both sides.
  JR

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queenofcomps <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote:
          
This issue is going to be very upfront when they start having downloadable
games controlled in a central office off the floor.
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott
The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.

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