MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a requirement
for continuing membership, is expected to:
1. Vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections.
2. Report DataBase inventory changes that they notice in casinos
they visit, unless they believe it's in their best interest to
protect an attractive game for their own personal use.
I am a bit confused about this membership deal. I am a casino monitor
for couple of casinos in the state where I live. However, the email
address that I use to communicate with you as casino monitor is not
the same as the email address that I use to login to this vpFREE
group. That is, the email address that I use to login this this group
does not qualify for the membership according to your statement. Yet,
I can see all the posts in this group fine. Am I missing something?
Thanks.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...> wrote:
MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a requirement
for continuing membership, is expected to:1. Vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections.
2. Report DataBase inventory changes that they notice in casinos
they visit, unless they believe it's in their best interest to
protect an attractive game for their own personal use.
vpFREE Administrator wrote:
MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a requirement
for continuing membership, is expected to:1. Vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections.
2. Report DataBase inventory changes that they notice in casinos
they visit, unless they believe it's in their best interest to
protect an attractive game for their own personal use.
The 2nd requirement contains an admirable and realistic exception.
Personally, I might take it a step further. I find it inappropriate
to report any exceptional play (for example, one where a casino's
inventory, when weighed as a whole, lends a reasonable presumption
that it's been offered unintentionally) unless you personally actively
play it.
If you yourself won't feel at least a modicum of pain should the play
disappear due to overplay (or otherwise drawing undesirable attention
to it), then you should respect the potential pain of others 
And, to that extent, I think there's room for the moderator to give
some measure of greater consideration as to whether to include a play
in the database.
Just my take, of course.
- Harry
One's email address isn't involved in logging into Yahoo
and accessing the vpFREE home page. All that is required
is your Yahoo ID and password.
Your Yahoo email address of record determines where
individual emails or daily digests are sent, and posts
via email must come from your Yahoo email address
of record.
vpFae
On 11 Sep 2008 at 6:59, hongchols wrote:
I am a bit confused about this membership deal. I am a casino monitor
for couple of casinos in the state where I live. However, the email
address that I use to communicate with you as casino monitor is not
the same as the email address that I use to login to this vpFREE
group. That is, the email address that I use to login this this group
does not qualify for the membership according to your statement. Yet,
I can see all the posts in this group fine. Am I missing something?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:
vpFREE Administrator wrote:
> MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a requirement
> for continuing membership, is expected to:
>
> 1. Vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections.
>
> 2. Report DataBase inventory changes that they notice in casinos
> they visit, unless they believe it's in their best interest to
> protect an attractive game for their own personal use.The 2nd requirement contains an admirable and realistic exception.
I see. So it really is all about "protecting" instead of sharing.
Therefore, the database isn't being accurately updated by members. A
member spots a great machine but has to "protect" it, right? It makes
me wonder now what is really out there on those casino floors. Not
much use to the database if I have to still check every paytable on
every machine so as to not miss a vpFREE "protected" opportunity.
I'm glad everything is out in the open now. Some vpFREE members were
under the impression that one purpose of this site was to exchange
accurate information about the most playable machines in casinos.
Instead, there is a nice loophole where "great opportunities" are
kept hidden for some to enjoy privately.
So please explain why us "common folk" should openly share our
information if others are keeping the best to themselves? Those "in
the know" get the benefit of our research but meanwhile keep their
most lucrative goodies available to only a select few.
Is this now a game of appearing open but instead throwing
out "scraps" to the rest of us?
Perhaps the best response to that one is "thanks, but no thanks".
Not much use to the database if I have to still check every paytable on
every machine so as to not miss a vpFREE "protected" opportunity.
if you want to be absolutely sure you're playing the best play, you
have to check every paytable on every machine regardless of whether
others are sharing everything they know. others might have missed
something. paytables might have changed since the last time they
looked.
but the database is still useful. just last night i walked into a
casino i'd never visited before, in an unfamiliar town, needing to get
some play in. within five minutes i was playing one of the only decent
multiline machines in the place. it would have taken me at least a
half hour, probably longer, to find something that good if i were
starting from scratch.
maybe there was something even better, but i don't care. i didn't want
to look, i wanted to play, and the database let me spend time playing
instead of looking.
So please explain why us "common folk" should openly share our
information if others are keeping the best to themselves?
the people most likely to withhold certain bits of information are
also most likely to spend lots of time in casinos gathering lots of
useful data.
if i share 90% of what i learn, and you share 100% of what you learn,
but i learn ten times as much as you do, then you're getting nine
times as much information from me as i'm getting from you. this isn't
a bad deal for you. and if you want to share only 90%, i won't
complain.
cheers,
five
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:37 PM, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no good solution here and most of us are in a no-win situation.
An exceptional play, if "outed", will usually be gone by the time we have our trip to LV (or
wherever) that is usually planned months in advance. So, we miss it.
An exceptional play, if not "outed" is something we know nothing about. So we miss it.
An exceptional play, if "outed", and we happen to be around at the time, will find that
exceptional play hoarded by the "pros". So we miss it.
So what does the data base give us. The "best" plays that are routinely available.
My opinion.
..... bl
This was phrased poorly.
I should have said:
Your email address of record with Yahoo determines where
individual emails or daily digests are sent, and posts
via email must come from your email address of record with
Yahoo.
On 11 Sep 2008 at 8:33, vpFae wrote:
Your Yahoo email address of record determines where
individual emails or daily digests are sent, and posts
via email must come from your Yahoo email address
of record.
"the people most likely to withhold certain bits of information arealso most likely to spend lots of time in casinos gathering lots ofuseful data. if i share 90% of what i learn, and you share 100% of what you learn,but i learn ten times as much as you do, then you're getting ninetimes as much information from me as i'm getting from you. this isn'ta bad deal for you. and if you want to share only 90%, i won'tcomplain."
Nice way to put it and think about it.
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As an out of towner, the database is invaluable to me. A lot of
commonly know machines (FPDW at Station casino's for instance) are NOT
commonly know to vistors. It would be very hard for a visitor with a
limited schedule to find these machines. So this information is very
much appreciated.
In return, every obvious database change that I find, I make it a
point to update the database. If a casino puts in a new bank with a
big 100% sign over the top and it's not in the database I'm going to
report it.
On the other hand if I find one machine in a bank of 10 with 1 good
game and nothing else to play (for example the Pickem at LV Harrahs)
I'm not going to report it. It would die and no-one wins in that case.
I think it is possible to maintain a database of the majority of good,
known plays in town without killing casino mistakes which are
excellent or even very good plays.
The database is great starting point for players, but you still need
to scout to find the best plays around.
Cheers and thanks for the updates.
There is no good solution here and most of us are in a no-win situation.
An exceptional play, if "outed", will usually be gone by the time we
have our trip to LV (or
wherever) that is usually planned months in advance. So, we miss it.
An exceptional play, if not "outed" is something we know nothing
about. So we miss it.
An exceptional play, if "outed", and we happen to be around at the
time, will find that
exceptional play hoarded by the "pros". So we miss it.
So what does the data base give us. The "best" plays that are
routinely available.
Best machine I could find at the Hard Rock (Las Vegas) this week was $.25 9/7 double bonus, maybe available at other denominations too. Did I miss anything? Database lists 9/6 JorB...
--- On Thu, 9/11/08, kiwiboy4921 <waynes@kiwiplan.com> wrote:
From: kiwiboy4921 <waynes@kiwiplan.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - SEP 2008
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 1:46 PM
As an out of towner, the database is invaluable to me. A lot of
commonly know machines (FPDW at Station casino's for instance) are NOT
commonly know to vistors. It would be very hard for a visitor with a
limited schedule to find these machines. So this information is very
much appreciated.
In return, every obvious database change that I find, I make it a
point to update the database. If a casino puts in a new bank with a
big 100% sign over the top and it's not in the database I'm going to
report it.
On the other hand if I find one machine in a bank of 10 with 1 good
game and nothing else to play (for example the Pickem at LV Harrahs)
I'm not going to report it. It would die and no-one wins in that case.
I think it is possible to maintain a database of the majority of good,
known plays in town without killing casino mistakes which are
excellent or even very good plays.
The database is great starting point for players, but you still need
to scout to find the best plays around.
Cheers and thanks for the updates.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@ ...> wrote:
There is no good solution here and most of us are in a no-win situation.
An exceptional play, if "outed", will usually be gone by the time we
have our trip to LV (or
wherever) that is usually planned months in advance. So, we miss it.
An exceptional play, if not "outed" is something we know nothing
about. So we miss it.
An exceptional play, if "outed", and we happen to be around at the
time, will find that
exceptional play hoarded by the "pros". So we miss it.
So what does the data base give us. The "best" plays that are
routinely available.
My opinion.
..... bl
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My take on all this is this group targets the casual players, including
casual advantage players, and even casual advantage player wannabes.
That being said, serious pros and even serious wannabe pros operate on
a different level beyond the scope of this group.
The 25c 9/6 JoB are MIA, which was reflected in
the DataBase on 4 SEP:
http://members.cox.net/vp_free/HARD.htm
The DataBase shows 8/5 BP as the best 25c
game at Hard Rock now.
vpFae
On 11 Sep 2008 at 14:09, S H wrote:
Best machine I could find at the Hard Rock (Las Vegas)
this week was $.25 9/7 double bonus, maybe available at
other denominations too. Did I miss anything?
Database lists 9/6 JorB...
Took 40 minutes at the Can Club as the lines are still long.
They have 9/6 job Triple Play in High limit room and 8/5 Bonus near front entrance next to motorcycle
To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
From: vpFae@Cox.net
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:28:45 -0700
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - SEP 2008
On 11 Sep 2008 at 14:09, S H wrote:
Best machine I could find at the Hard Rock (Las Vegas)
this week was $.25 9/7 double bonus, maybe available at
other denominations too. Did I miss anything?
Database lists 9/6 JorB...
The 25c 9/6 JoB are MIA, which was reflected in
the DataBase on 4 SEP:
http://members.cox.net/vp_free/HARD.htm
The DataBase shows 8/5 BP as the best 25c
game at Hard Rock now.
vpFae
My take on all this is this group targets the casual players,
including
casual advantage players, and even casual advantage player wannabes.
That being said, serious pros and even serious wannabe pros operate
on
a different level beyond the scope of this group.
I also thought this was a group for casual players, but seems to be a
lot of post about $5, $10, $25 games. Beyond my range.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cranky" <exgeek@...> wrote:
I'll try to do a more thorough sweep on my next visit. For now I can state that the Hard Rock Las Vegas offers $.25 9/7 Double Bonus in about a dozen multi-multis outside (and facing) the sports book, and a few more in front of Mr. Lucky's 24/7 restaurant (in the outer circle, not the lower casino floor).
--- On Thu, 9/11/08, vpFae <vpFae@Cox.net> wrote:
From: vpFae <vpFae@Cox.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - SEP 2008
To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:28 PM
On 11 Sep 2008 at 14:09, S H wrote:
Best machine I could find at the Hard Rock (Las Vegas)
this week was $.25 9/7 double bonus, maybe available at
other denominations too. Did I miss anything?
Database lists 9/6 JorB...
The 25c 9/6 JoB are MIA, which was reflected in
the DataBase on 4 SEP:
http://members. cox.net/vp_ free/HARD. htm
The DataBase shows 8/5 BP as the best 25c
game at Hard Rock now.
vpFae
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At what level of reporting is expected. Some casinos, such as Sams Town and the Cal have many, many good games and would take the better part of a day to check them all out, especially on multi-game multi game machines. Perhaps ones that we actually play and notice without going from machine to machine would be OK? Glad to report what I actually use and notice as it helps us all including the casinos as good games attract players of all kinds.
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - SEP 2008
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:18 AM
MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a requirement
for continuing membership, is expected to:
1. Vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections.
2. Report DataBase inventory changes that they notice in casinos
they visit, unless they believe it's in their best interest to
protect an attractive game for their own personal use.
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