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VP vs Blackjack

I am interested in some opinions comparing full pay video poker
and blackjack in terms of enjoyment and return on playing costs.
Compare the playing of 9/6 JoB to a $2 or $5 minimum bet game of
blackjack. I would think some of you are proficient and experienced
in both.
  Assume one can play perfect strategy at both games. After all,
you can use strategy cards to insure perfect play in either game.
Do not consider card counting, other than table composition. Use
common Vegas rules such as 6 decks, must hit a soft 17, double on
any card and double on splits with no surrender and blackjack
paying 3 to 2.

Thanks,
Bob

  I am interested in some opinions comparing full pay video poker
and blackjack in terms of enjoyment and return on playing costs.
Compare the playing of 9/6 JoB to a $2 or $5 minimum bet game of
blackjack. I would think some of you are proficient and

experienced

in both.
  Assume one can play perfect strategy at both games. After all,
you can use strategy cards to insure perfect play in either game.
Do not consider card counting, other than table composition. Use
common Vegas rules such as 6 decks, must hit a soft 17, double on
any card and double on splits with no surrender and blackjack
paying 3 to 2.

Thanks,
Bob

Well, I used to do both at times. These are my thoughts...

- BJ is more social, if you like to hang out with people, while VP is
more solitary.

- Your distribution of results will differ. BJ will not give you any
real big wins and losses, and a session, for the most part will
center around +/- $100 for $5 bets. Playing .25 JoB will result in
losing 2/3 of your sessions, occasionally significantly more than
$100/session. But in return, you will occasionally hit a royal flush
for $1000.

- You will usually earn better comps at VP. At the right casino, 8
hours of quarter play can earn you Limited RFB. Playing $5 BJ at a
casino will earn you the occasional "pity" meal, but not much more
than that.

- VP will earn you more in cash back and "bounce-back" cash coupons,
which is the only way to earn over 100% at JoB. $5 BJ will not show
up much with marketing offers.

The question remains is why you would choose these particular games.
If you are playing for low stakes, JoB at 99.5% is usually one of
your crappier options for video poker, behind FPDW (100.8%), Joker's
Wild (100.6%), Double Bonus (100.2%), Pick'em (99.9%) and NSUD
(99.7%). And if those games are not available where you are playing,
it is not very likely that you will have a positive expectation
playing JoB.

In the same regard, playing basic strategy BJ at a shoe without
counting cards may be fun, but there is no way that you will win in
the long run. So, the more you play, the more likely you will lose,
and losing is not something we like to encourage here.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:

"futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:

I am interested in some opinions comparing full pay video poker
and blackjack in terms of enjoyment and return on playing costs.

If you look at off-strip properties, you can find VP with a players
edge (DW at Mains Street Station, AA at Hilton, etc). It's rare to
find any property that offers blackjack rules with >100% return
without card counting.

For a strip property, something like Jacks-or-Better Multi-Strike at
Caesars, with cashback, is right around 100%, which I also think is
better than any basic strategy blackjack you'll find there.

Comps seem to be better with VP. Playing quarter VP, I'll get plenty
of free food at Caesars, whereas I don't think they'll even notice a
blackjack player making bets less than $25. Maybe VP gets better
comps because, hard as it is to imagine, the average VP player plays
even worse than the average BJ player. Or maybe it has something to
do with the fact that they can track exactly how much money the VP
player puts through the machine, unlike table games.

I guess the main reason I find VP more enjoyable is that I gamble
chiefly as a way to release the stress of everyday life, & I find
that easier to do when I don't have to deal with the often surly
other gamblers (or dealers) at the table games. VP lets me go
completely into my own world; might be a minus for some people, but
it's a plus for me.

In recent years, though, most of my VP time hasn't been alone. This
is OK, since when I'm in the gambline zone, I enjoy talking to
friends, just not always strangers. But the big thing is that if I'm
at a bar or machines with a friend, they can ask me all they want
about correct play (I've taught lots of friends to play VP, & the
whole process is fun). At a table game, the dealer or other players
might get annoyed if I was spending too much time explaining correct
play to a friend. But with VP, it's all good.

Finally, variance is our friend. Aside from the stress relief &
social aspects, most of us gamblers enjoy the big ups & downs. So
playing quarter VP, the feeling that I could win $1000 at any moment
is cool. I know that when I'm drawing to a 3-card royal, I'll have to
do it well over 1000 times before I hit. But every one of those 1000
times I'll get the little rush, for a second or two, of possibility.
The more slow & steady ups & downs of blackjack don't offer this.

Stuart (RandomStu)
sresnick2@comcast.net
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm

VP can be played positively and unless there's some interesting promotion
the same can't be said of BS blackjack. VP even in its' least volatile
forms is often a game of big losses and big wins. For the flat bettor,
blackjack is often a game of little wins and losses. And the quarter vp
player will be treated to more comps, promotion and marketing offers than
the $5 blackjack player. This last is especially valuable to the tourist.

Chandler

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From: futrend [mailto:futr…@…com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] VP vs Blackjack

  I am interested in some opinions comparing full pay video poker
and blackjack in terms of enjoyment and return on playing costs.
Compare the playing of 9/6 JoB to a $2 or $5 minimum bet game of
blackjack. I would think some of you are proficient and experienced
in both.
  Assume one can play perfect strategy at both games. After all,
you can use strategy cards to insure perfect play in either game.
Do not consider card counting, other than table composition. Use
common Vegas rules such as 6 decks, must hit a soft 17, double on
any card and double on splits with no surrender and blackjack
paying 3 to 2.

Thanks,
Bob
  
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