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VP Payoff frequency vs randomness vs bet amount

Hello - I'm new to the group and relative novice to value play VP
having read and practiced Bob Dancer's principles with his books and
WinPoker.

My question has to do with what seems to me to be a variance in the
frequency of payouts based on the amount of the bet. I live in North
San Diego County and I am surrounded by Indian Casinos. Typically,
the VP machines have multiple wager choices and I've noticed that
the machines seem "tighter" at the $1 level than the $.25 level for
the same game. I have also noticed this on my trips to LV and
Laughlin. Am I imagining things or is there some truth to this?

Also, are all VP machines supposed to be totally random (well, as
totally random as programmatically achievable)? For example, many
slot machines typically have a payoff percentage posted on the game.
But in VP, shouldn't it simply be the luck of the draw? What I'm
getting at is whether casinos install VP machines that are perhaps
programmed not to pay off in a random fashion, thereby making the
computed expected return useless?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

... are all VP machines supposed to be totally random (well, as
totally random as programmatically achievable)?

See FAQ #3 <http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ.htm#3>

... I've noticed that the machines seem "tighter" at the $1 level than
the $.25 level for the same game. I have also noticed this on my
trips to LV and Laughlin. Am I imagining things or is there some
truth to this?

Your Nevada observations probably derive from selective memory
or limited anecdotal evidence. The theoretical ER on a random machine
is a function of the paytable. Denomination is irrelevant.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 31 May 2005 at 19:39, docjump wrote:

> ... I've noticed that the machines seem "tighter" at the $1 level

than

> the $.25 level for the same game. I have also noticed this on my
> trips to LV and Laughlin. Am I imagining things or is there some
> truth to this?

Your Nevada observations probably derive from selective memory
or limited anecdotal evidence. The theoretical ER on a random machine
is a function of the paytable. Denomination is irrelevant.

Higher denomination machines only seem tighter because the amount of
money you can burn through in a session is higher than if you were
playing quarters. You're still playing with the same ER, you just
lose (and win!) multiples of $.25.

Drew

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On 31 May 2005 at 19:39, docjump wrote: