Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of exercise. It
is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of dollar
denomination or less. Pick a casino. Maybe MonteLago or Green Valley
Ranch. Those will have nice machines mixed with the bad ones. Or go to
the Strip and choose, I don't know, Caesars. It will have lots of
machines. How many? 500? 1,000? The idea is to play five games full
coin and move on to the next machine. Maybe the best time is 4 AM when
the machines are mostly available. At MonteLago, I'm sure at 6 AM two
people in the casino during the week will be too much :). Has anyone
done this crazy project? Where? What is a good estimate of how long it
will take? What is a good estimate of the bankroll needed? Please,
don't tell me I will be better off playing the good machines, I know
that. The challenge to play every single VP machine in a casino is
something like climbing Mt. Everest, a challenge one might take, and
if one can do it, the satisfaction of having done it, win or lose. Of
course one expects to win, but that depends on whatever, volatility or
luck. Any constructive comments are welcome.
VP Madness Question.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of exercise. It
is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of dollar
denomination or less. Pick a casino. Maybe MonteLago or Green Valley
Ranch. Those will have nice machines mixed with the bad ones. Or go to
the Strip and choose, I don't know, Caesars. It will have lots of
machines. How many? 500? 1,000? The idea is to play five games full
coin and move on to the next machine. Maybe the best time is 4 AM when
the machines are mostly available. At MonteLago, I'm sure at 6 AM two
people in the casino during the week will be too much :). Has anyone
done this crazy project? Where? What is a good estimate of how long it
will take? What is a good estimate of the bankroll needed? Please,
don't tell me I will be better off playing the good machines, I know
that. The challenge to play every single VP machine in a casino is
something like climbing Mt. Everest, a challenge one might take, and
if one can do it, the satisfaction of having done it, win or lose. Of
course one expects to win, but that depends on whatever, volatility or
luck. Any constructive comments are welcome.
I understand the challenge of climbing a mountain, or other things,
but I fail to see the satisfaction of playing so many poor paytable
machines just so I can say I did it? I am not a Vegas local, so it
may be easier for me with smaller than strip casinos, but I just dont
get the idea of being proud of playing really crappy games? If you did
do this, what about MD and MG machines, do you need to play each
different game and each different denomination? For any that choose
this challenge, I hope randomness is with you!!
Jim
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
Of
course one expects to win, but that depends on whatever, volatility
or
luck. Any constructive comments are welcome.
If one expects to win, one needs a winning strategy.
Playing negative expectations games is not a winning strategy.
If you just want to give away money, I have a challenge for you. See
how many $100 bills you can stuff in an envelope, then mail them to
me. In exchange I will send you a trophy that says you're a winner
plus a free t-shirt plus a 2-for-1 buffet coupon plus a free drawing
ticket for a drawing where someone will have a chance to win a million
bucks! Plus for a limited time, if you do it now, I will give you 1%
cashback and a set of ginzu knives! But don't delay, this offer will
expire soon!
I see your point about the poor paytables, but the idea here is to
play all the machines, that is the challenge. I know you will play
many poor paytables, but just a few times. It has happened to me that
on the first try I have hit things. At Sands in Atlantic City years
ago on my first play I once got a Straight Flush. Not long ago in Las
Vegas at a 9/5 DDB machine I got four Aces with a kicker on the first
try. In any case, I am thinking about this, but not set on it yet.
Some of your questions I have thought about and decided already.
Since the aim is to play every machine, say five times, then when I
land a Multi denomination machine, I will play it in the lowest
denomination. When I land a Multi game machine, I will play only one
game, the least volatile one. It is to be hoped that these two rules
will help stretch the bankroll so that playing all the machines can
be done.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
>
> Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
> best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of
exercise. It
> is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of dollar
> denomination or less. Pick a casino. Maybe MonteLago or Green
Valley
> Ranch. Those will have nice machines mixed with the bad ones. Or
go to
> the Strip and choose, I don't know, Caesars. It will have lots of
> machines. How many? 500? 1,000? The idea is to play five games
full
> coin and move on to the next machine. Maybe the best time is 4 AM
when
> the machines are mostly available. At MonteLago, I'm sure at 6 AM
two
> people in the casino during the week will be too much :). Has
anyone
> done this crazy project? Where? What is a good estimate of how
long it
> will take? What is a good estimate of the bankroll needed?
Please,
> don't tell me I will be better off playing the good machines, I
know
> that. The challenge to play every single VP machine in a casino
is
> something like climbing Mt. Everest, a challenge one might take,
and
> if one can do it, the satisfaction of having done it, win or
lose. Of
> course one expects to win, but that depends on whatever,
volatility or
> luck. Any constructive comments are welcome.
I understand the challenge of climbing a mountain, or other things,
but I fail to see the satisfaction of playing so many poor paytable
machines just so I can say I did it? I am not a Vegas local, so it
may be easier for me with smaller than strip casinos, but I just
dont
get the idea of being proud of playing really crappy games? If you
did
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jimnkelli" <jbecker11@c...> wrote:
do this, what about MD and MG machines, do you need to play each
different game and each different denomination? For any that choose
this challenge, I hope randomness is with you!!Jim
Hey, funny reply, but considering your other messages, I would have
expected something more mathematical and precise from you. For
example, an estimate of how many VP machines of each dollar or less
denomination there are on a typical large or small casino; what would
be the needed bankroll to play them all; what probability I have of
losing all the bankroll, or of winning something; etc. Sending you an
envelope with Franklins is not an equivalent proposition. I would not
be able to say after going to the post office, "I played all those
machines". Another real difference is that in spite of the facts the
games are negative, after I play all six hundred machines or whatever
there are, I could end up winning a lot, that is a possible outcome.
If I send a letter with money, I could not win a lot. So thanks for
your suggestion, but I think my original VP madness is better.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
> Of
> course one expects to win, but that depends on whatever,
volatility
or
> luck. Any constructive comments are welcome.If one expects to win, one needs a winning strategy.
Playing negative expectations games is not a winning strategy.If you just want to give away money, I have a challenge for you. See
how many $100 bills you can stuff in an envelope, then mail them to
me. In exchange I will send you a trophy that says you're a winner
plus a free t-shirt plus a 2-for-1 buffet coupon plus a free drawing
ticket for a drawing where someone will have a chance to win a
million
···
bucks! Plus for a limited time, if you do it now, I will give you 1%
cashback and a set of ginzu knives! But don't delay, this offer will
expire soon!
superquadfullhousroyalistic" wrote:
Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of exercise.
It is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of dollar
denomination or less.
When I was a paperboy in my early teens, I formed the ambition to
write my initials on every dollar bill that came my way in hope that
ultimately everyone would have one of "my bills" pass through their
hands in any given year.
Lofty goals are sdmirable things.
However, finding very limited progress achieved over time proved too
frustrating, I abandoned my "project". I've now limited my quest to
C-motes and gamblers ... a much more attainable goal in my eyes given
the more limited number of each. Keep your eyes open!
If you find that you're ultimately thwarted in your ambition due to
shear number of machines, you might consider restraining your
satisfaction to playing just the $5 and up machines at least once in
one or more casinos.
- Harry (just 5 more days and counting down)
Yes, to make the goal more feasible one could start with a subset of
VP machines, one trip quarters, another trip nickels, etc. The
problem is that casinos move things around, change machines, etc. On
the other hand, playing all the fives and up does reduce the number
of machines one has to deal with, but increases greatly the needed
bankroll. In any case, I wonder, can one do all the machines of a
dollar or less? Has anyone done it? What is the likely outcome? From
all the messages I have gotten here, I see the proposition is more
interesting than I thought at first. A poster just won lotto, does
this not have a far, far better chance of proving profitable than
lotto? How many VP machines can a large casino have of dollar or less
denomination? I'm not making a big mistake by assuming perhaps 600.
The bankroll does not have to be infinite, the time it takes does not
have to be longer than a week's trip. The more outrageous objections
I read here, the more I see the feasibility of this project. This is
just a totally different thing than attempting to put one's initials
on every dollar bill that exists. One could put the initials in every
dollar bill that comes one's way. After a lifetime of quite a few
decades, some of those bills would have been destroyed, others might
come one's way again, and can then be made to have the initials
written twice, but there will be millions of dollar bills without
one's initials. I don't see anything wrong with that project for
whoever wants to do it; I'd rather spend less ink by playing VP.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:
superquadfullhousroyalistic" wrote:
> Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
> best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of
exercise.
> It is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of
dollar
> denomination or less.
When I was a paperboy in my early teens, I formed the ambition to
write my initials on every dollar bill that came my way in hope that
ultimately everyone would have one of "my bills" pass through their
hands in any given year.Lofty goals are sdmirable things.
However, finding very limited progress achieved over time proved too
frustrating, I abandoned my "project". I've now limited my quest to
C-motes and gamblers ... a much more attainable goal in my eyes
given
···
the more limited number of each. Keep your eyes open!
If you find that you're ultimately thwarted in your ambition due to
shear number of machines, you might consider restraining your
satisfaction to playing just the $5 and up machines at least once in
one or more casinos.- Harry (just 5 more days and counting down)
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of
exercise.
It is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of dollar
denomination or less.
The challenge to play every single VP machine in a casino is
···
something like climbing Mt. Everest.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Mr. Superquadfullhousroyalistic,
Sounds like fun. I love challenges. Go ahead and do it! And keep
records. I'd love to see how you make out. But make damn sure you
can afford the loss, because that is the most likely outcome.
The longer I play this game the more I realize that, besides
trying to have an "enjoyable" experience, luck is the most important
factor in trying to beat the casino out of some money. Sure, we all
(the knowledgeable VP players who have been at it for years) have
the software to practice on and can probably play almost perfectly
on most of the games. And sure, we all know how to read the pay
schedules to find the best machines to play on. And sure, we all
play only at the best casinos for video poker, but even having all
those things in our favor, it still doesn't guarantee, at least in
the short term, that we will end up a winner on any given day.
I see so many good VP players put in hundreds of hours without
all that much to show for it and end up bitter and frustrated as
they watch novices hit royals around them. (If you really want to
see frustration, you should watch "some" good No-Limit poker pros
play low-limit Texas hold'em in a casino sometimes and get their
butts kicked by the clueless) Life is not long enough to waste a
good part of it sitting in some smoky building, in front of some eye-
burning computer screen, getting VP butt, as Jean Scott calls it,
pressing buttons for a good part of your day without having some fun.
And, play a 98% machine instead of a 100% one for a short time? Oh
my God!!! The sky is falling!!!
Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy
"At times, no amount of skill can overcome natural stupidity and
luck."
--VP Pappy
That's a very nice reply, thank you. You are able to see two
important aspects of this project, the fun of it and the possibility
of winning. Playing five pulls on 600 machines of dollar denomination
or less could most probably lead to a loss, as you say. Since these
are VP machines, even if they have bad paytables, the loss could not
be more than, to make a guess, a thousand or two. Yet when you play a
machine you have about a 46% chance of winning. 3,000 pulls is not
the long term, so results could be all over the place. This could be
a fun project for a visitor who is weary of it all and consumed by
tedium. Then maybe not, but it is worth a try. I am not saying that
as far as what is likely in the long term to be more profitable, the
idea of playing every machine in a casino is a better activity. If
one were to play every VP machine in a casino, and then do it next
trip in another casino, and so on and so forth for a long time, the
result will definitely not be better than to spend all the trips
playing FPDW on quadruple point days. On the other hand, maybe the
single trip one plays all the machines in a casino, one hits many
Royals. Gambling does not have to be done one way. The New York lotto
is 19 millions for Wednesday, I do have a couple of tickets, I spent
two dollars on them. The chance of me winning those nineteen millions
is comparable to the chance of me being hit by lightning before
Wednesday. I hope lotto and not lightning hits, though. Let me
congratulate you again on your $21K win.
Since I do know some locals and like them, let me put in a good word
for the dedicated VP player. If you live in Las Vegas and can play a
few hours every week, then it makes sense for you to hunt for the
best situations. You are likely to play a million hands or more a
year, and you have seen all the casinos many times, so the
eccentricity of playing every machine in a casino is not something
appealing when you could be at a certain casino playing a machine
that returns a bit over 100% on triple point days, with other
benefits. This is totally undertandable, and if I lived there that is
probably what I would do.
Thanks again. Regards,
E
"Most bad luck is the misfortune of not being an exception".
Mason Cooley
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
>
> Here is a project I have which some of you might think is not the
> best, but you must admit that it gets you to do plenty of
exercise.
It is very simple. To play all the VP machines in a casino of
dollar
> denomination or less.
The challenge to play every single VP machine in a casino is
> something like climbing Mt. Everest.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++Dear Mr. Superquadfullhousroyalistic,
Sounds like fun. I love challenges. Go ahead and do it! And keep
records. I'd love to see how you make out. But make damn sure you
can afford the loss, because that is the most likely outcome.The longer I play this game the more I realize that, besides
trying to have an "enjoyable" experience, luck is the most
important
factor in trying to beat the casino out of some money. Sure, we all
(the knowledgeable VP players who have been at it for years) have
the software to practice on and can probably play almost perfectly
on most of the games. And sure, we all know how to read the pay
schedules to find the best machines to play on. And sure, we all
play only at the best casinos for video poker, but even having all
those things in our favor, it still doesn't guarantee, at least in
the short term, that we will end up a winner on any given day.I see so many good VP players put in hundreds of hours without
all that much to show for it and end up bitter and frustrated as
they watch novices hit royals around them. (If you really want to
see frustration, you should watch "some" good No-Limit poker pros
play low-limit Texas hold'em in a casino sometimes and get their
butts kicked by the clueless) Life is not long enough to waste a
good part of it sitting in some smoky building, in front of some
eye-
burning computer screen, getting VP butt, as Jean Scott calls it,
pressing buttons for a good part of your day without having some
fun.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...> wrote:
And, play a 98% machine instead of a 100% one for a short time? Oh
my God!!! The sky is falling!!!Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy
"At times, no amount of skill can overcome natural stupidity and
luck."
--VP Pappy
Max Rubin used to write a column a long time ago - I think it was in Strictly Slots or Casino Player - and he wrote a series on - I think it was called something like "Guilty Pleasures." And he suggested the same general idea - something like playing one max play on every machine in the casino. I forget the details - but he is such a funny writer - not sure he didn't suggest you do this with a group who is drinking!!!!
···
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
Hey, funny reply, but considering your other messages, I would have
expected something more mathematical and precise from you.
Too bad, you missed the drawing for 1 million, turns out my cousin
Guido won the drawing, what are the odds of that!
But if you're just looking for a quick score, what you should do is
sell everything you own and max out your credit cards, get all the
cash you can possibly get your hands on, and take one high limit
roulette bet on red or black. Of course tell all the media beforehand,
so it's a big media circus, that way it's unlikely the casino will let
you lose, because it would look bad on tv. Then of course do a book
and the talk shows and sell your story to Hollywood. In the unlikely
event that you lose, just declare bankruptcy and sue the casino and
gaming commission for letting you be an irreponsible gambler, write a
book, do the talk shows, etc. Let us know how it turns out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4696187/?GT1=3256
http://www.nevadacouncil.org/aboutPG/20questions.html
Thanks! Max Rubin, Casino Player, Strictly Slots. You will have me
searching, searching, searching. I would like to find stories about
people who have done something like this. It is not wise to drink and
gamble, but I gather when I see the big trays the cocktail waitresses
carry around with more stuff that bottled water that most gamblers
have not learned that rule :).
Max Rubin used to write a column a long time ago - I think it was in
Strictly Slots or Casino Player - and he wrote a series on - I
think it was
called something like "Guilty Pleasures." And he suggested the same
general
idea - something like playing one max play on every machine in the
casino.
I forget the details - but he is such a funny writer - not sure he
didn't
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:
suggest you do this with a group who is drinking!!!!
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."
No thanks, the idea does not appeal to me, but it was fun reading
about the Briton and his roulette bet.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
> Hey, funny reply, but considering your other messages, I would
have
> expected something more mathematical and precise from you.
Too bad, you missed the drawing for 1 million, turns out my cousin
Guido won the drawing, what are the odds of that!But if you're just looking for a quick score, what you should do is
sell everything you own and max out your credit cards, get all the
cash you can possibly get your hands on, and take one high limit
roulette bet on red or black. Of course tell all the media
beforehand,
so it's a big media circus, that way it's unlikely the casino will
let
you lose, because it would look bad on tv. Then of course do a book
and the talk shows and sell your story to Hollywood. In the unlikely
event that you lose, just declare bankruptcy and sue the casino and
gaming commission for letting you be an irreponsible gambler, write
a
···
book, do the talk shows, etc. Let us know how it turns out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4696187/?GT1=3256
http://www.nevadacouncil.org/aboutPG/20questions.html
Instead of playing every game at a casino, why not check every game to
see if anything is playable. For mathematical reasons, for a gamble to
be playable, the expected return plus cashback, bounceback, comp,
promos, coupons plus progressive meter rates must be 101% or greater.
If you find a playable game, and you are willing to put at risk the
required funds, aka the "bankroll", which is very roughly three royals
or $3,000 on five coin quarters, then play it. My advice would be to
tell no one, the more people that know the sooner the casino will pull
it or a team will play it around the clock until the casino pulls it.
If you don't find anything playable at the first casino you check,
move on to the next, see if you can cover every casino in the US.