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VP machine malfunctions

#1

In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jaydavidson118"

Has anyone actually found a machine that is malfunctioning to the
players advantage?

For a while one of the $1 Double Bonus 5 way Progressive machines at
Palms was not linked properly to the bank. It displayed and paid the
correct progressive amounts but if you hit any of them it did not cause
the meter to reset. It was kind of a wash because play on this machine
did not add to the progressive jackpots either. I naively brought it to
the attention of a slot attendant and it was corrected. Later a pro told
me that many players were aware of the malfunction and would play this
machine solely if a particular progressive got high because you could
repeatedly hit the juicy award over and over and it would not reset.

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#2

jaydavidson118 asked:

> Has anyone actually found a machine that is malfunctioning to the
> players advantage?

johnfiske replied:

For a while one of the $1 Double Bonus 5 way Progressive machines at
Palms was not linked properly to the bank. It displayed and paid
the correct progressive amounts but if you hit any of them it did
not cause the meter to reset. It was kind of a wash because play on
this machine did not add to the progressive jackpots either. I
naively brought it to the attention of a slot attendant and it was
corrected.
Later a pro told me that many players were aware of the malfunction
and would play this machine solely if a particular progressive got
high because you could repeatedly hit the juicy award over and over
and it would not reset.

This seems a little contradictory ... if play didn't add to the
progressive meters, how did any meter get "high"?

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The only advantageous machine malfunction I've encountered was when a
particular machine consistently spat out an extra buck or two on a
cash out or meter "spill". Nothing to crow about but at least you
could graciously tip on a hopper fill and it would be on the house.

- Harry

#3

Only this one machine did not add to the meter.

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Harry Porter
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:02 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: VP machine malfunctions

jaydavidson118 asked:

> Has anyone actually found a machine that is malfunctioning to the
> players advantage?

johnfiske replied:

For a while one of the $1 Double Bonus 5 way Progressive machines at
Palms was not linked properly to the bank. It displayed and paid
the correct progressive amounts but if you hit any of them it did
not cause the meter to reset. It was kind of a wash because play on
this machine did not add to the progressive jackpots either. I
naively brought it to the attention of a slot attendant and it was
corrected.
Later a pro told me that many players were aware of the malfunction
and would play this machine solely if a particular progressive got
high because you could repeatedly hit the juicy award over and over
and it would not reset.

This seems a little contradictory ... if play didn't add to the
progressive meters, how did any meter get "high"?

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The only advantageous machine malfunction I've encountered was when a
particular machine consistently spat out an extra buck or two on a
cash out or meter "spill". Nothing to crow about but at least you
could graciously tip on a hopper fill and it would be on the house.

- Harry

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#4

The only advantageous machine malfunction I've encountered was when a
particular machine consistently spat out an extra buck or two on a
cash out or meter "spill". Nothing to crow about but at least you
could graciously tip on a hopper fill and it would be on the house.

- Harry

A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put $400 bucks in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out - this usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper mention to the attendent that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to your tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.

#5

Note that only one of out of the bank was defective, i.e.,

johnfiske replied:
> For a while one of the $1 Double Bonus 5 way Progressive machines

at

> Palms was not linked properly to the bank.

.....bl

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This seems a little contradictory ... if play didn't add to the
progressive meters, how did any meter get "high"?

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- Harry

#6

IMHO, YUCH!

.....bl

A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put

$400 bucks

in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out -

this

usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper

mention

to the attendent that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while
playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to

your

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tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.

#7

Randy C wrote:

Only this one machine did not add to the meter.

Got it.

- H.

#8

Is that not considered cheating?

A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put

$400 bucks

in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out -

this

usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper

mention

to the attendent that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while
playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to

your

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tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.

#9

<<A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put $400 bucks
in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out - this
usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper mention
to the attendant that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while
playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to your
tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.>>

This would be where I would have to draw the line in my ethical sand.

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#10

>
> A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put
$400 bucks
> in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out -
this
> usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper
mention
> to the attendent that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while
> playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to
your
> tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.

IMHO, YUCH!

.....bl

I am with you BL, that is lieing/cheating/stealing, I go to use my
skill to win, and I dont go to steal from the casino or anyone else.

Jim

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#11

You say this like it was a bad thing. Even before I took a job with a
gaming company I had ethical standards. Just as I would report a
malfunctioning machine I would report something like this since taking
advantage of it is, in my opinion, unethical. If a casino puts the wrong
paytable on a machine that's their tough luck. But a progressive that does
not reset is a horse of a different color.

It is people like the ones you described who make some casino managers
think we are all trying to take advantage of them and who therefore try to
drive out all advantage players. Those who know me know that I believe
absolutely that there should be a symbiotic relationship between casinos
and knowledgeable players.

Bill

johnfiske replied:
> For a while one of the $1 Double Bonus 5 way Progressive machines at
> Palms was not linked properly to the bank. It displayed and paid
> the correct progressive amounts but if you hit any of them it did
> not cause the meter to reset. It was kind of a wash because play on
> this machine did not add to the progressive jackpots either. I
> naively brought it to the attention of a slot attendant and it was
> corrected.

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#12

Bill Coleman wrote:

It is people like the ones you described who make some casino
managers think we are all trying to take advantage of them and who
therefore try to drive out all advantage players. Those who know me
know that I believe absolutely that there should be a symbiotic
relationship between casinos and knowledgeable players.

Symbiotic would be a fine thing. But in most all cases the
relationship is untrusting and antagonistic, at best. We could be
talking a "chicken/egg" phenomenon, but the attitude with which
players regard casinos takes a dive each time a casino fails to come
through on something reasonably due players.

Withdrawn comps, failure to honor offers, and promotions that are
withdrawn prematurely (to the disappointment of those who've expended
resources to play during the promo) are among events that cause some
to take less than the "high road" with casinos. Stipulations that
reserve the right to suspend offers don't mitigate the harm done.

I fully believe (while not condoning less than ethical behavior) that
many casinos bring grief upon themselves in this manner. Mind you,
some players need no provocation to take every advantage they can
find, ethical or not.

- Harry

#13

Good for you, Jean! Some still believe two wrong make one right! I try to
answer and aspire to a higher calling on my sojourn through this life! And
if you please, just my two cents!

Live long and prosper!

James&Ann Abbott

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: VP machine malfunctions

<<A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put $400
bucks
in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out - this
usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper
mention
to the attendant that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while
playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to your
tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.>>

This would be where I would have to draw the line in my ethical sand.

________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards.
  NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
              Updated Second Edition of
             "The Frugal Gambler."

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#14

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

Symbiotic would be a fine thing. But in most all cases the
relationship is untrusting and antagonistic, at best. We could be
talking a "chicken/egg" phenomenon, but the attitude with which
players regard casinos takes a dive each time a casino fails to come
through on something reasonably due players.

Withdrawn comps, failure to honor offers, and promotions that are
withdrawn prematurely (to the disappointment of those who've

expended

resources to play during the promo) are among events that cause some
to take less than the "high road" with casinos. Stipulations that
reserve the right to suspend offers don't mitigate the harm done.

I fully believe (while not condoning less than ethical behavior)

that

many casinos bring grief upon themselves in this manner. Mind you,
some players need no provocation to take every advantage they can
find, ethical or not.

- Harry

I agree entirely, but you need to be cautious when playing a
machine you know is malfunctioning ... because everything is "on
camera". The casino may know of the problem and hope to spot the
player(s) who have been ripping them off before fixing it. All they
have to do is look for someone who repeats the rip off procedure
several times.

#15

<<A pro taught me the following "trick". Go up to a $5 machine put $400
bucks
in, play only a couple of hands till your at least even. Cash out - this
usually results in a hopper fill. When they come to fill the hopper mention
to the attendant that the machine "ate" a couple of your coins while
playing. They will almost always believe you and add a few coins to your
tray. The plays good for a quick $20-$30.>>

This would be where I would have to draw the line in my ethical sand.

________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz

Agreed. It's just plain lying and cheating. It's also possibly quite stupid, as it would seem that one could readily get caught, backroomed, and/or jailed, all for a lousy $20.

John