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VP Control

#1

They loosen up machines for slot tournaments. The only way they could loosen them up for VP would be to use a better pay table. I have seen VP tournaments in casinos with nothing even close to full pay, that have full pay on their machines in tournaments.

Regards

A.P.

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--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com> wrote:

From: Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: VP Control
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 1:30 PM

One thing I don't understand, but I'm sure someone on here can explain is:

I've heard that in a VP tournament the machines are "loosened up" to create more Royals, etc, or that casinos can choose how "loose" they want a VP machine to be - I have no idea if this is true, but if it somehow is, I don't understand how it could be, since the game is set up to act as a naturally shuffled deck of cards, or so I've heard on here. Is there a computer chip that produces more occurrences of certain card combinations? Doesn't seem to make sense.....

Valerie

#2

There are VP tournament programs that run about 1000%. This is accomplished
by beefing up the pays.

VP tournaments are run by not deducting your bet from your credit meter. So
if you hit a Jacks or Better hand, and 50 hands of nothing, and then another
Jacks or Better hand, your credit meter would be at 10 instead of negative.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Albert Pearson <ehpee@rogers.com> wrote:

They loosen up machines for slot tournaments. The only way they could
loosen them up for VP would be to use a better pay table. I have seen VP
tournaments in casinos with nothing even close to full pay, that have full
pay on their machines in tournaments.

Regards

A.P.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com<vpollard%40socal.rr.com>> > wrote:

From: Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com <vpollard%40socal.rr.com>>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: VP Control
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 1:30 PM

One thing I don't understand, but I'm sure someone on here can explain is:

I've heard that in a VP tournament the machines are "loosened up" to create
more Royals, etc, or that casinos can choose how "loose" they want a VP
machine to be - I have no idea if this is true, but if it somehow is, I
don't understand how it could be, since the game is set up to act as a
naturally shuffled deck of cards, or so I've heard on here. Is there a
computer chip that produces more occurrences of certain card combinations?
Doesn't seem to make sense.....

Valerie

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#3

Yes, it is true that you do not pay for your hands and the credit meter
only shows cumulative wins. But, the VP machines are NOT "loosened up"
to create more Royals, etc. (which was the original question).

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail.com> wrote:

There are VP tournament programs that run about 1000%. This is accomplished
by beefing up the pays.

VP tournaments are run by not deducting your bet from your credit meter. So
if you hit a Jacks or Better hand, and 50 hands of nothing, and then
another
Jacks or Better hand, your credit meter would be at 10 instead of negative.

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#4

I don't see how increasing the pay table would increase the numbers
of, say, fours or RF's.

Lee

From iPhone

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On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Albert Pearson <ehpee@rogers.com> wrote:

They loosen up machines for slot tournaments. The only way they
could loosen them up for VP would be to use a better pay table. I
have seen VP tournaments in casinos with nothing even close to full
pay, that have full pay on their machines in tournaments.

Regards

A.P.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com> wrote:

From: Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: VP Control
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 1:30 PM

One thing I don't understand, but I'm sure someone on here can
explain is:

I've heard that in a VP tournament the machines are "loosened up" to
create more Royals, etc, or that casinos can choose how "loose" they
want a VP machine to be - I have no idea if this is true, but if it
somehow is, I don't understand how it could be, since the game is
set up to act as a naturally shuffled deck of cards, or so I've
heard on here. Is there a computer chip that produces more
occurrences of certain card combinations? Doesn't seem to make
sense.....

Valerie

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#5

One reason for more "big hands" could be that, if the people in the tournament know what they're doing, they'll play more aggressively --- with a "royal-centric/quad-centric" strategy.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Lee <leesail@...> wrote:

I don't see how increasing the pay table would increase the numbers
of, say, fours or RF's.

Lee

From iPhone

On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:

> They loosen up machines for slot tournaments. The only way they
> could loosen them up for VP would be to use a better pay table. I
> have seen VP tournaments in casinos with nothing even close to full
> pay, that have full pay on their machines in tournaments.
>
> Regards
>
> A.P.
>
> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Valerie Pollard <vpollard@...> wrote:
>
> From: Valerie Pollard <vpollard@...>
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: VP Control
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 1:30 PM
>
> One thing I don't understand, but I'm sure someone on here can
> explain is:
>
> I've heard that in a VP tournament the machines are "loosened up" to
> create more Royals, etc, or that casinos can choose how "loose" they
> want a VP machine to be - I have no idea if this is true, but if it
> somehow is, I don't understand how it could be, since the game is
> set up to act as a naturally shuffled deck of cards, or so I've
> heard on here. Is there a computer chip that produces more
> occurrences of certain card combinations? Doesn't seem to make
> sense.....
>
> Valerie
>
>

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#6

In and of itself, it can't. If I hold a pair, the odds of hitting quads from that pair are the same no matter how much the paytable says I'll get paid if I do hit quads.

However the pay table can *indirectly* influence/increase the number of quads/royals, if it causes players to adjust their playing strategy.

Consider AA55x. Depending on the game, you hold AA55 or just the AA. Obviously when playing a game where you hold just AA, you will hit four aces more frequently than on games where you hold AA55 because you can't possibly hit four aces when holding two pair. This result isn't because of the pay table, it's because of the strategy change that the paytable induces in knowledeable players.

In contrast, someone who doesn't know any better and always holds AA55 regardless of what game they're playing will hit four aces with the same frequency on both machines.

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Lee wrote:

I don't see how increasing the pay table would increase the numbers
of, say, fours or RF's.