I played these VP machines at Saratoga HArness track. The match card has to
correspond to your 5th card. If they match then you get a bonus. I played for
about an hour and did not match at all.
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VP coming to FingerLakes Racino.
<Exasperatedly> I hope you GET that these are NOT RNG VP machines.
Check some history of posts here. "VLT, Washington State" Your payoff is
predetermined at the moment of you hit the DEAL button. what you hold does not
matter, the match card will magically make up for lost credits from"mis-holds". Don't
play these! Payback is likely in the 75% zone. Small consolation - NOT hitting the
match card means you played the proper strategy (the same strategy the programmer
used anyways). Again: hold nothing and your payoff is the same as when you hold
properly. Play them like slot machines if you must. (Deal, draw, deal, draw, hold no
cards - same payoff). Also a current thread on the yahoo group winpoker right now.
The teaser is that, other than the match card, they play and feel like normal VP
machines.
~Mark
(the victim of a $5K Royal on these VLTs in Washington before I found out the match
card tip-off of a rip-off)
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, How927@a... wrote:
I played these VP machines at Saratoga HArness track. The match card has to
correspond to your 5th card. If they match then you get a bonus. I played for
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I'm writing another book. I know, I know - I said I wasn't going to - but I lied! (I call it changing my mind, but I think I always knew I probably wouldn't quit until I was in the grave!)
Anyway, I need a list of states that have non-random non-RNG centrally-determined VP. This is true for Washington, as has been mentioned. What others?
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for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books.
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Oklahoma?
I probably shouldn't speak up since I dont' know for sure, but the Indian casinos in OK have those strange "video poker" machines that
a) You can't hold or discard. Whatever it deals you, that's your hand.
b) Produce a useless slip of paper on every "deal".
carlos
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Jean Scott <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz> wrote:
I'm writing another book. I know, I know - I said I wasn't going to - but I lied! (I call it changing my mind, but I think I always knew I probably wouldn't quit until I was in the grave!)
Anyway, I need a list of states that have non-random non-RNG centrally-determined VP. This is true for Washington, as has been mentioned. What others?
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books.
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Anyway, I need a list of states that have non-random non-RNG
centrally-determined VP. This is true for Washington, as has been
mentioned. What others?
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Last week I visited the Suquamish Indian Casino near Poulbo, in
Washington ... its very nice, large, and nearly new, with good
restaurants, etc. I'm also returning to the Coeur d'Alene Indian
Casino in Worley, in Idaho, on Sunday. Both offer VP, and I played
in them both and they seemed to be based on a RNG. But is there any
way to tell? A couple years ago I played VP at the Cowcreek Indian
Casino (7 Feathers) in central Oregon. One bank seemed OK, but
another was clearly "rigged" (centrally controlled). I usually avoid
the VP at these casinos because of the very poor pay schedules, but
I'm sure the Spokane Indian Casino in Chewelah, Washington has RNG
based VP, because they have not signed a compact with the state.
Does the state of Washington "require" VP that is centrally
controlled?
Also, I'm surprised nobody commented about the BlackJack game I
observed in Worley. It consisted of a larger than life size TV image
of a dealer, who did the dealing. This seems to be their way of
getting around Idaho's prohibition against table games ... or perhaps
they simply don't want to hire and train real people. Might this
game eventually replace human dealers in other states?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:
I saw this same(I think) machine at Barona, 4 or 5 seats and
the "dealer" changed every few minutes.Bad rules from what I
remember.
What's the story with Idaho? Is the law like Wa. on slots, "video
pull tabs" only? Did this change? Seems this type of bj machine you
describe would have a rng.
I will take a closer look at the "video BJ" machines tomorrow when I
go to the Coeur d'Alene Indian Casino in Worley. By the way, it is a
very large casino (recently expanded), that includes a hotel, a good
restaurant, and a Fred Couples designed 18 hole golf course ... a
really first class facility. It's located 20 miles south of Coeur
d'Alene on Highway 95, and about 20 miles east of Spokane. Two weeks
ago some guy won $1 million there playing Megabucks, while waiting
for his tee time!
I wish I knew how to determine if the BJ and VP is based on a
standard RNG chip. My guess is they are. Once a tribe signs a
compact with the state my impression is they can offer regular Nevada
style gaming (but I'm not positive). There are a lot of "linked"
slot machines with progressives, so those may be lottery style
(centrally controlled) games.
There are a number of "state of the art" Indian casinos in
Washington, Idaho, and Oregon ... similar to (but smaller than) the
SunCoast and Rampart in LV (except the two Idaho casinos I've visited
do not have standard table games). Also, as another poster
mentioned, the MonteLago at Lake Las Vegas is a tribal casino (the
primary investor).
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "donparks21" <donparks21@y...> wrote:
I saw this same(I think) machine at Barona, 4 or 5 seats and
the "dealer" changed every few minutes.Bad rules from what I
remember.What's the story with Idaho? Is the law like Wa. on slots, "video
pull tabs" only? Did this change? Seems this type of bj machine you
describe would have a rng.
West Virginia -- I think - not positive
David K
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: VP not random
I'm writing another book. I know, I know - I said I wasn't going to - but I
lied! (I call it changing my mind, but I think I always knew I probably
wouldn't quit until I was in the grave!)
Anyway, I need a list of states that have non-random non-RNG
centrally-determined VP. This is true for Washington, as has been
mentioned. What others?
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books.
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