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LV Casinos - Favorite Visitors $1
Did I miss Wynn on this list?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@y...>
wrote:

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CONSIDER VOTING FOR WYNN LV
IN THE "Favorite LV Strip" POLL.

To keep vpFREE the "Fair and Balanced" group that it is, may I throw
out Statosphere for consideration as well? While not the fancy carpet
joint that Wynn LV is, they have added a larger quantity of 100%+ games
and machines according to the database.

While on the topic, does anyone else wonder why Wynn LV hasn't more
aggresively marketed their "Locals Friendly" machines? Are they still
evaluating? Would 100% signs be too tacky for their decor?

#4

I can't see any reason to aggressively market the 4 remaining
machines. What I would like to see Wynn do is modify some of the Multi-
Poker machines from 9/5 DDB to 9/6; and the 9/6/5 DB to 9/7/5 DB. At
least us locals would have some back-up machines to play if the full-
pays are in use.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@j...>
wrote:

While on the topic, does anyone else wonder why Wynn LV hasn't more
aggresively marketed their "Locals Friendly" machines? Are they

still

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evaluating? Would 100% signs be too tacky for their decor?

#5

What I would like to see Wynn do is modify some of the Multi-

Poker machines from 9/5 DDB to 9/6; and the 9/6/5 DB to 9/7/5 DB. At
least us locals would have some back-up machines to play if the full-
pays are in use.

No argument that any improvement in inventory would be great. I wonder
how many knowledgable locals who made a special trip to the stip to
play machines that return over 100% with CB and benefits would settle
for 9/7 DB or 9/6 DDB. In know 9/6 JB isn't for everyone but at
99.544% plus CB (Free Credit), Bingo and stuff that comes in the
mailbox you MIGHT go a little over 100% return. Unless you assign the
full retail value to comps you receive, it hasn't been my experience
that you will get a sub 99.2% play over 100% on a regular basis.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

#6

Well, tonight I certainly would have settled for 9/6 JoB or 9/7/5 DB.
I was already at the Palms, having not been there in a few months.
Managed to hit 4 Threes playing 10/7 DB, which allowed me to walk out
with a $40 win, as it was my only set of quads for the session.
Figured I would go to Wynn and probably got in the deck after 11:30PM.
Went to the bank of four; there were no seats available. There was an
oriental girl straddling two chairs while playing two machines. It was
quite the sight; almost like she was playing a piano. A quick look
convinced me that no one was about to leave in the forseeable future,
so I left. If Wynn had some 99% machines, I might have stuck around
and played in the hopes that one of the 100% machines would eventually
become available.
   
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@j...>
wrote:

No argument that any improvement in inventory would be great. I

wonder

how many knowledgable locals who made a special trip to the stip to
play machines that return over 100% with CB and benefits would

settle

for 9/7 DB or 9/6 DDB. In know 9/6 JB isn't for everyone but at
99.544% plus CB (Free Credit), Bingo and stuff that comes in the
mailbox you MIGHT go a little over 100% return. Unless you assign

the

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full retail value to comps you receive, it hasn't been my experience
that you will get a sub 99.2% play over 100% on a regular basis.

#7

You know there's plenty of both. They're just not located conveniently
for swooping down on the full pay machines when one opens up.

Here's a tip for paying guests: get up early. Locals seem to rise
sometime around noon and find their way to Wynn by midafternoon at the
earliest.

Mike

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

Well, tonight I certainly would have settled for 9/6 JoB or 9/7/5 DB.

#8

I've run into this before, where one person is playing two side-by-
side machines. I would assume this happens because of the limited
number of machines in a particular casino with attractive pay
schedules/comps, and/or slow machines.

The first time I saw it was a couple of weeks ago when a casino re-
opened up a couple of full pay machines at the dollar level. These
two were reported to be the only two full pay dollar machines in a
major eastern US casino: the rest were only at the 25 cent level.

I got there at 8:00 AM on a Saturday morning and from a distance
only saw one woman playing at the bank of machines where the two
newly reported machines existed. I was excited figuring that at worst
at least one of the two machines would be open. As I got closer, I
was wrong. She had her players card inserted into two machines, and
had credits in the two machines and was playing the two side-by-side
machines in an alternating fashion.

Luckily for me, the report was wrong and the entire bank of
machines was now $1.00 full pay, so I had a machine to play. But my
question is:

What if these were the only two $1.00 full pay machines in the
entire casino. Would it be wrong (improper etiquette) to ask the
player of dual machines to give up one of them to allow another
player to play one of them? I don't see anything wrong in playing two
machines, but if these are the only two machines in the casino with
positive characteristics and I were playing the two of them and a
player arrived and asked if he could play one of them, personally, I
would feel obligated to give up the second machine. And I'd allow
another player to take over one of the machines.

Let's say one asked a player to give up one of two of the machines
they were playing and they refused to give one up. Would it be
inappropriate to ask a casino employee to ask the person to
discontinue play on the second machine on behalf of the other
interested player.

I'd think it would be common sense and common courtesy (and a good
casino policy) for a player to give up a second machine if another
player asked to play on one of them.

On the other hand, you could analogize it to a blackjack player
playing two hands at the only $5.00 table in the casino while others
are waiting in line to play. But I think with VP arguably it is even
more rude to not give up the second slot, since one player in VP
typically is not maximizing both machines when playing two, while it
makes no difference in BJ whether one player is playing two hands or
two players are playing one hand each to the overall speed or
efficiency of the game.

I'm not certain how the BJ situation is handled, but I would think
it would not be wrong to ask a dual VP machine player to give up one
machine so you could play one as well. And if they refused, I would
think that if the shut out patron asked the appropriate casino
employee to intervene, that it would be appropriate and in good
policy for the casino to do so. Of course this would need to be
handled tactfully.

What do you think about the etiquette in asking a dual VP player
to give up one machine? What do you think should be the Casino's
policy if the dual player refused to give up one of the two machines
to another interested player?

Thanks.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

girl straddling two chairs while playing two machines. It was
quite the sight; almost like she was playing a piano.

#9

Well, tonight I certainly would have settled for 9/6 JoB or 9/7/5

DB.

I was already at the Palms, having not been there in a few months.
Managed to hit 4 Threes playing 10/7 DB, which allowed me to walk

out

with a $40 win, as it was my only set of quads for the session.
Figured I would go to Wynn and probably got in the deck after

11:30PM.

Went to the bank of four; there were no seats available. There was

an

oriental girl straddling two chairs while playing two machines. It

was

quite the sight; almost like she was playing a piano. A quick look
convinced me that no one was about to leave in the forseeable

future,

I was there two weeks ago one day after the other 5 machines were
downgraded. On Friday I could not get on the full pays. Was
lucky on Saturday to get on one. The couple next to me left and
the the asian lady playing two machines stepped in. Several times
while playing she was politely asked if she would give up one of the
machines. She always politely declined. After an hour and a half
I left because several players (most likely locals) kept hanging
around waiting for a machine. It was a bigger distraction than the
girl playing two machines next to me! Anyway if my experience is
typicel I won't be surprised if the last four machines are
downgraded as well.

>

MO

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

#10

In this situation I always ask the player to give up one machine,
and if refused I ask a supervisor if I can have it.

vpFae

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On 24 Oct 2005 at 14:53, straub4 wrote:

What do you think about the etiquette in asking a dual VP player
to give up one machine?

#11

Vpfae said, with respect to asking a machine monopolizer to give up a
machine: "In this situation I always ask the player to give up one
machine, and if refused I ask a supervisor if I can have it."

It's well to keep in mind that we have a too-good-to-last situation at
Wynn. $1 and lower players are NOT Wynn's natural market. (I could be
wrong, of course, and I'm amazed at how long these games have lasted so
far, but no other zillion-dollar resort has followed this path.)
Bickering between players in these "more dogs than bones" circumstances
has often been the straw that broke the camel's back. (How about that!
Two trite expressions in the same sentence!) If supervisors are asked to
referee one too many times, the games will disappear.

How do you balance "getting your fair share" with "not killing the
golden goose"? That's one with no unique best answer. After the moment
passes and you have more information, it's easier to second-guess what
you "should have done" way back then. And however it ends, you can
depend that there will be a lot of finger-pointing as to whose fault is
was.

For whatever it's worth, I virtually never get supervisors involved in
these disputes. And the rare cases where I have, it's been places where
I'm a regular (and hence have a good feeling for the ground rules) and
the other person is not a regular. Part of this might be due to the fact
that I'm well-known and a bigger-than-average target for criticism.

Vpfae uses a different technique --- but it's such a gray area that only
the truly self-righteous can claim that their way is the right way for
everybody.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#12

Now that you mention it, the last night I was at Wynn when the
oriental girl/lady was playing the two machines, I did notice a
oriental slot floorperson talking with the player. The girl/lady
kept right on playing while talking, but the conversation seemed to
be cordial.

And I noticed the same thing re: lurkers. Thre seemed to be people
that were hovering near by, ready to pounce on an open seat. Which
is kind of funny, as the cliche is that locals don't go to the
strip. Given the choice of driving 5 minutes to the Rampart, or 20
minutes to Wynn; given the same paytables, I will drive to Wynn. But
now that there are only 4 machines, it's a tough call.
  
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "marti_ortiz2000"
<marti_ortiz2000@y...> wrote:

I was there two weeks ago one day after the other 5 machines were
downgraded. On Friday I could not get on the full pays. Was
lucky on Saturday to get on one. The couple next to me left

and

the the asian lady playing two machines stepped in. Several

times

while playing she was politely asked if she would give up one of

the

machines. She always politely declined. After an hour and a

half

I left because several players (most likely locals) kept hanging
around waiting for a machine. It was a bigger distraction than

the

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girl playing two machines next to me! Anyway if my experience is
typicel I won't be surprised if the last four machines are
downgraded as well.
> >

MO