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VIP Requirements in Reno: Coin-In Amounts

#1

Correna is absolutely correct! Playing $60K annually is NOT nearly enough to achieve "RFB" status at the Atlantis, or much of anything else for that
matter, unless it is the result of a ONE DAY visit.

I believe that the OP is confusing "coin-in" with "tier status points".
They are VASTLY different!

For Gold Elite, the 3rd from the lowest tier, 2500 POINTS annually are
required. (I believe that this is the lowest tier at which the Atlantis
will fully comp ROOMS, with discretationary comps, for VP players.)

Platinum Tier requires 15,000 POINTS annually.

For Royal Diamond Tier the player needs to earn 30,000 POINTS annually.

The Atlantis will not divulge how much coin-in equals one point. However, this is relatively easy to determine if a coin-in amount is requested from the club desk or a host, and than compared to the number of earned tier status points, which is available on any machine. After inserting a player's card and pin, the screen will show a Menu Option that allows a player to access that informatiion in addition to comp and FP balances.

As I said in my last Atlantis TR, I was told that for most VP players, even reasonably high rollers, the only comps available on a DISCRETIONARY basis, are free rooms. All other charges are deducted from the player's
earned comp account.

The Atlantis has tried to compensate for this perceived "short-fall" in player benefits, by offering 2, 3, and 4X point days each month, in addition to FP and many nice tourneys, dinners and other events.

Since the Atlantis offers no CB, and I don't need to do my holiday shopping in their rather over priced gift shop, this has never bothered me.

~Babe~

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--- On Fri, 7/30/10, Correna H <correna2@yahoo.com> wrote:

I can only speak to Atlantis as I have not played at the others - but I can tell you from my experience your $60k CI yearly for RFB is wayyyy off. My average visit is for 3 nights and total CI per trip generally $100k-$150k; it used to be that got me RFB - but in the last 2 years I have had to almost beg to get comps - it certainly isn't automatic.

Correna Correna

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:

I've went through a few different places to get the coin-in requirements...from what I can tell, to be PURE VIP (Complete RFB and event invites)
Atlantis = $60k coin-in yearly
Grand Sierra = $84k coin-in yearly
Eldorado = $100k coin-in yearly
John Ascuaga's Nugget = $50k coin-in yearly

#2

Patricia- since you seem to be an Atlantis expert maybe I can get some advice on what I can expect for a room comp and how to get it.
I am going on a 7 night trip to Reno early October. The last 3 nights at Atlantis. I already booked 3 nights-I believe it was $89 plus resort fee. They already charged my credit card for one night and I paid it.
I will be playing at Atlantis all 7 days. Assuming my bankroll holds out I will probably run about $75K or so cash in-all on NSUD.
I will also play 2 hours or so of single deck BJ all 7 days, a tiny bit on video roulette and a thousand dollars cash in or so through the idiot slots.
I realize I will get food and other "earned" comps. What I am concerned with is the likelihood and strategy of getting my 3 nights (including the night I have already paid for) comped.
I will be checking out on a Thursday morning if that means anything.
Keep in mind I am headed to Europe for 3 years on a job so offers and welfare checks are useless to me-I want to strictly maximize what I am getting on this trip.
Anyone else feel free to chime in.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

Correna is absolutely correct! Playing $60K annually is NOT nearly enough to achieve "RFB" status at the Atlantis, or much of anything else for that
matter, unless it is the result of a ONE DAY visit.

I believe that the OP is confusing "coin-in" with "tier status points".
They are VASTLY different!

For Gold Elite, the 3rd from the lowest tier, 2500 POINTS annually are
required. (I believe that this is the lowest tier at which the Atlantis
will fully comp ROOMS, with discretationary comps, for VP players.)

Platinum Tier requires 15,000 POINTS annually.

For Royal Diamond Tier the player needs to earn 30,000 POINTS annually.

The Atlantis will not divulge how much coin-in equals one point. However, this is relatively easy to determine if a coin-in amount is requested from the club desk or a host, and than compared to the number of earned tier status points, which is available on any machine. After inserting a player's card and pin, the screen will show a Menu Option that allows a player to access that informatiion in addition to comp and FP balances.

As I said in my last Atlantis TR, I was told that for most VP players, even reasonably high rollers, the only comps available on a DISCRETIONARY basis, are free rooms. All other charges are deducted from the player's
earned comp account.

The Atlantis has tried to compensate for this perceived "short-fall" in player benefits, by offering 2, 3, and 4X point days each month, in addition to FP and many nice tourneys, dinners and other events.

Since the Atlantis offers no CB, and I don't need to do my holiday shopping in their rather over priced gift shop, this has never bothered me.

~Babe~

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--- On Fri, 7/30/10, Correna H <correna2@...> wrote:

I can only speak to Atlantis as I have not played at the others - but I can tell you from my experience your $60k CI yearly for RFB is wayyyy off. My average visit is for 3 nights and total CI per trip generally $100k-$150k; it used to be that got me RFB - but in the last 2 years I have had to almost beg to get comps - it certainly isn't automatic.

Correna Correna

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@> wrote:
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> I've went through a few different places to get the coin-in requirements...from what I can tell, to be PURE VIP (Complete RFB and event invites)
> Atlantis = $60k coin-in yearly
> Grand Sierra = $84k coin-in yearly
> Eldorado = $100k coin-in yearly
> John Ascuaga's Nugget = $50k coin-in yearly

#3

There are 2 forms of comps at Atlantis: your points, and offers or host discretion which do not come off your points.

If you're a brand new player at ATL, you likely aren't getting any mailed offers. After a few days of play you may try to seek out a host to see if you can get lucky but $75k of play is modest without a prior history.

What you do have complete control over is your points, which can only be used as comp dollars (for rooms, food, gift shops, and spa) and the occasional comps-to-free play conversion days (at a 2:1 rate).

The base comp point rate on the machines I typically play (NSU spinpoker, 10p, 50p) ranges from 0.16% to 0.23%. So say you play machines with an average of 0.19%. Your 75k of play would produce about $142 of comps (the kiosk and card readers will just display that as 14200 without a decimal point or dollar sign). But ATL has frequent multipoint days (see their website for the multiplier days). If you load most of your play up on the 2x and 3x days you should rack up closer to $300-$400 in comp points during your trip. That should cover most of your room and food.

Hope that helps.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

Patricia- since you seem to be an Atlantis expert maybe I can get some advice on what I can expect for a room comp and how to get it.
I am going on a 7 night trip to Reno early October. The last 3 nights at Atlantis. I already booked 3 nights-I believe it was $89 plus resort fee. They already charged my credit card for one night and I paid it.
I will be playing at Atlantis all 7 days. Assuming my bankroll holds out I will probably run about $75K or so cash in-all on NSUD.
I will also play 2 hours or so of single deck BJ all 7 days, a tiny bit on video roulette and a thousand dollars cash in or so through the idiot slots.
I realize I will get food and other "earned" comps. What I am concerned with is the likelihood and strategy of getting my 3 nights (including the night I have already paid for) comped.
I will be checking out on a Thursday morning if that means anything.
Keep in mind I am headed to Europe for 3 years on a job so offers and welfare checks are useless to me-I want to strictly maximize what I am getting on this trip.
Anyone else feel free to chime in.

#4

No, jackessiebabe is the one who is confused. There different levels of RFB from a flea to a whale. It's still commonly known as "RFB" or room, food, and beverage. If you don't believe me, ask yourself why does Atlantis or the other casinos have rooms of different quality, restaurants of different quality, etc. The OP made a "generic" post about RFB in general.

I know some people believe they are whales because they put in a meager $20K in coin-in a day and deserve the presidential suite along with champange and want to dine at the finest restaurant. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

My point is some people have high standards, which is why they are whales play $100 slots or video poker, and some people are fleas (if you are not a whale, you are a flea) want the basic necessities and and play $0.25 to $1 slots and video poker. The casino wants to make its customers happy and thus have different tiers of RFB.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

Correna is absolutely correct! Playing $60K annually is NOT nearly enough to achieve "RFB" status at the Atlantis, or much of anything else for that matter, unless it is the result of a ONE DAY visit.

I believe that the OP is confusing "coin-in" with "tier status points". They are VASTLY different!

#5

And while it is impossible to believe that any place on the internet will be civil all the time, it isn't necessary to attack a poster like Babe, who provides great TRs and other info, and is always willing to reply to try to help. Especially when she is right in the sense that any casino has a minimum level that they call RFB.

You see the problem with RFB status, from the casino's point of view, is that if you say that to a player up front (that they are RFB), then you might have to cover the high end food places if that is where the guest chooses to eat during their stay. I'm sure there is a minimum level of RFB where they will only cover the cafe, buffet and maybe the deli at Atlantis, but even that status, based on their tier levels is fairly lofty, which is what Babe meant. There is limited RFB, where the guest is told up front "based on your current play, you will get this comped", but that is not classic RFB, where anything goes. That takes a demonstrated high level of play. In effect you attacked Babe over semantics, in my opinion. You are thinking limited RFB, where it appears Babe was thinking full RFB.

There was no need for the "No, jackessiebabe is the one who is confused." line. Disagreeing with an opinion is fine, but that line is just an attack meant to demean.

Just my .02- Thanks, Lee.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@> wrote:
> Correna is absolutely correct! Playing $60K annually is NOT nearly enough to achieve "RFB" status at the Atlantis, or much of anything else for that matter, unless it is the result of a ONE DAY visit.
>
> I believe that the OP is confusing "coin-in" with "tier status points". They are VASTLY different!

No, jackessiebabe is the one who is confused. There different >levels of RFB from a flea to a whale. It's still commonly known >as "RFB" or room, food, and beverage. If you don't believe me, ask >yourself why does Atlantis or the other casinos have rooms of >different quality, restaurants of different quality, etc. The OP >made a "generic" post about RFB in general.

#6

Just to throw in some definition into this discussion.

The commonly accepted term RFB means room, food at all outlets, and all your beverage.

There is another commonly accepted and used term RFBL, which means all of the above with the term "limited" added onto it.

Some casinos give you a set amount to spend i.e. a daily allowance or room credit.

Others give you carte blanche, but only in specific food outlets.

If these two terms are used by all it would help remove doubt and contentention as well as confusion,

Regards

A.P.

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#7

- First, there was neither an attack nor condescension other than what leetcrowell2 read into it. "No" denotes a disgreement, not an attack and saying "jackessiebabe is the one who is confused" is just stating my position. This is basic English Composition 101.

- Second, whatever is good for the goose is good for the gander. If jackessiebabe can write OP is "confused" or to that effect and then explain why, then I should be able to write jackessiebabe is "confused" and also explain why. Otherwise, leetcrowell2 has a double standard: one for jackessiebabe and one for the rest. I have no problem with leetcrowell2 having a double standard.

- Third, jackessiebabe made a very STRONG assertion that "Playing $60K annually is NOT nearly enough to achieve "RFB" status at the Atlantis, or much of anything else for that matter, unless it is the result of a ONE DAY visit." I happen to DISAGREE with that assertion and know for a FACT that you can get RFB with $60K of action over two-day or three-day, etc. This DISAGREEMENT is due to how "RFB" is defined.

- Fourth, I consulted experts on "RFB" and I will provide two books on this subject: Max Rubin's "Comp City" and Robert Renneisen "How to be Treated like a High Roller Even Though You're Not One." I voiced my disageement based on sound facts and information.

- Fifth, lets stick to the original topic of the post, which is will $60K annually at Atlantis get you the base level of RFB. Right now, jackessiebabe and I are having a disgreement and nothing more.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "leetcrowell2" <lee.crowell@...> wrote:

There was no need for the "No, jackessiebabe is the one who is confused." line. Disagreeing with an opinion is fine, but that line is just an attack meant to demean.

#8

That is my point. If you are a whale, you get carte blanche and don't have to ask for RFB since it is a given. However, if you are a flea, then you might have to beg, grovel or plead for RFB. This is Timspeed's problem and that is why is asking for feedback.

Second, I am against using "RFBL" since that creates a semantic swamp. The casinos have a simple (i.e. binary) system of whales and non-whales aka fleas. While I am not a whale, I am not going to beg, grovel or plead for RFB.

The problem is that there are different levels of fleas and thus different levels of RFB for fleas, which is what Albert Pearson pointed out with set amounts or limits.

One thing that is clear from this discussion to date is that there is different levels to "RFB" and that has been my position from the start.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:

The commonly accepted term RFB means room, food at all outlets, and all your beverage.

There is another commonly accepted and used term RFBL, which means all of the above with the term "limited" added onto it.

Some casinos give you a set amount to spend i.e. a daily allowance or room credit.

Others give you carte blanche, but only in specific food outlets.

#9

One thing that is clear from this discussion to date is that there is different levels to "RFB" and that has been my position from the start.

The level of "RFB" I was referring to is:
-Free rooms when I am in Reno (Not coming off of my comp account; I am not asking for the Presidential Suite, just simply a room)
-Free food when I am in Reno (This comes off of comp account, that's what the comp account is for; A $7 meal fills me up just as well as a $28 meal)
-Free beverages when I am in Reno (Last time I checked, as long as you're gambling the beverages are free, and when I'm not I simply walk into the VIP office and take what I want out of the fridge)

For a second, I'd like to quote Bob Dancer, which I think applies to my playing style, as well as my original question/post:
[Quote]
The "secret" to winning at video poker is fairly well-known.
1.) Identify situations where the game + slot club + promotions (including multiple-point days) exceeds 100%
2.) Learn the strategy to that game well
3.) Play during the promotions
4.) If the casino publishes target amounts for the player to receive Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, etc., mailers, you play to the exact amount to earn the mailer you want. Playing more reduces your average EV (although it could still increase your total EV, depending on the situation).
These will lead to you becoming rich(er).
[/Quote]

#10

The level of "RFB" I was referring to is:

-Free rooms when I am in Reno (Not coming off of my comp account; I am not asking
for the Presidential Suite, just simply a room)

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--- On Mon, 8/2/10, TIMSPEED <corvetteracing87@yahoo.com> wrote:

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I have been told that for a "room-only" comp in the Concierge Tower at Atlantis,
including weekends, the minimum DAILY coin-in for VP players, is $10K. A lesser
room in the Atrium or Dolphin Towers, would require slightly less c/i. At $5K coin-in
per day, a player would be eligible for a "casino rate", which is typically about 20% less than the regular rate being charged for that time period.

Pre-comping, before the player's first stay, is not done, except in very rare instances
when the player has verifible "High Roller" status at another venue. Players without
playing history at the Atlantis are usually told to charge everything to their room, and
have a host review their play at check-out time, to determine how much of the charges
can be comped.

-Free food when I am in Reno (This comes off of comp account, that's what the comp account is for; A $7 meal fills me up just as well as a $28 meal)

We are in complete agreement. At Atlantis, you can check on your accrued comps, earned by your play, on any machine, by inserting your card, inputting your PIN, and
selecting the "Menu" option.

Of course, you can always use those comps for food, gift shop or spa charges.
You can use the comps as you earn them, by requesting a paper comp for a specific restaurant and dollar amount from the Club Paradise Booth. Or, you can charge
everything to your room and confer with a host on your last day.

Unless you are a very heavy player, you will not receive host bestowed, discretationary comps (which are not deducted from your comp account) to pay for food.

-Free beverages when I am in Reno

That is ceratinly true at The Atlantis. Anyone playing a game of chance in the casino
will be offered complimentary hard and soft beverages. I have always found the Atlantis cocktail waitresses to be plentiful, prompt and friendly.

(Last time I checked, as long as you're gambling the beverages are free, and when I'm
not I simply walk into the VIP office and take what I want out of the fridge)

That will not work at the Atlantis. The VIP office is only available to Platinum Tier players
or higher, unless you have a "special arrangement" with a host permitting access to the
VIP Lounge. Even then, you must ask a lounge attendant to give you a beverage, as the
fridge is behind the bar and off limits to all players.

The coin-in answers above, were provided by my executive host. The other answers
were given based on my frequent history staying and playing at Atlantis.

I hope that this is of some help to you, and answers most of your questions.

Good luck at The Atlantis or at whichever casino you decide to favor with your play!

~Babe~

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#11

I have to respectfully disagree with this particular comment, as my average (as I said before) is $1k daily coin-in, and I'm getting free midweek/rate weekend rooms at Atlantis
Also, being a local, I have the advantage of ONLY playing on 3x/4x points days, playing the game with the highest return/point accumulation, so my comp balance is unusually high for my play.

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At $5K coin-in per day, a player would be eligible for a "casino >rate", which is typically about 20% less than the regular rate being >charged for that time period.

#12

I have always found the Atlantis cocktail waitresses to be plentiful, prompt and friendly.

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That's sure good to know-LOL.
2 specific questions for anyone familar with Atlantis:
Do the bars stock Makers Mark bourbon? If not-what bourbons do they have?
Do they stock Angastura Bitters
Yes I like my Manhattans and they ain't Manhattans without bitters!

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

#13

There are some "back doors" that hosts don't know about or won't tell you. Sounds like you found one.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:

I have to respectfully disagree with this particular comment, as my average (as I said before) is $1k daily coin-in, and I'm getting free midweek/rate weekend rooms at Atlantis
Also, being a local, I have the advantage of ONLY playing on 3x/4x points days, playing the game with the highest return/point accumulation, so my comp balance is unusually high for my play.

>At $5K coin-in per day, a player would be eligible for a "casino >rate", which is typically about 20% less than the regular rate being >charged for that�time period.