Video Poker Software / Strategy Cards

[thymos_one]

I think the original track on vp software got side tracked to
unsavory ethics allegations. I think it would be useful to get back
to the original topic.

About 1 1/2 years ago I was in the market for vp software and or
strategy cards. A local "advantage player" who was knowledgeable
about all the available software packages and strategy cards,
recommened the purchase of Tomski Strategy Master and WinPoker. He
said the combination of these two packages offered the best solution
to video poker playes. I have to say I have been very happy with my
purchase of both of these products. Strategy Master does a great job
of quickly generating accurate strategy sheets, theat can be easily
edited to suit your own tastes for presentation and degree of desired
accuracy. I like the way Winpoker presents in decending order the ev
of each draw option. By using the two packages together I beleive you
can generate the optimal set of strategy cards for your own use,
therefore I decided owning these two packages trumped owning any pre-
made strategy cards. I have spoken with many other players who feel
the same way about the benefit of generating your own strategy cards.
Therefore, software dominates strategy cards.

I have heard people mention that frugal contains a strategy generator
and simulator in one package, but, I have been told by several people
that the combined pakcage of Tomski Strategy Master and Winpoker
dominates Frugal software. Some of these packages advertise bells and
whistles that appear to have dubious worth. Graphs may look nice, but
really add nothing. Adding in comp calculations, is really just
clutter. Some calculations are best left for your brain to do. What
discount factor do you apply to comps or promotions? You are better
off thinking this through rather than blinding entering numbers,
garbage-in garbage-out.

I would like to hear if "Bob's" new program will generate strategy
sheets, of at least the quality of Tomski, and additionally if it
will generate sheets for multistrike, and other games like one eyed
jacks.

thymos_one
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[Skip_Hughes2]

Hi Thymos;
I'll commment on this, because I have years of experience with all these programs. But first, I need to point out my biases. I have no financial stake in any of these programs, but I do have a real financial stake in Frugal Strategy Cards (and I am no doubt biased towards FVP because it's indispensible to a lot of the work I do).

thymos_one wrote:

I have heard people mention that frugal contains a strategy generator and simulator in one package, but, I have been told by several people that the combined pakcage of Tomski Strategy Master and Winpoker dominates Frugal software.

I have used and recommended both BDPW and VPSM and still do - they are both great programs that have their own advantages. However, to say that together they "dominate" FVP is far off the mark. From my point of view, FVP has more really useful functionality that those two programs combined. Here's what FVP can do that a combination of the other two cannot:

- Create a virtually unlimited number of strategies that can be analyzed for their return and saved - you can modify any strategy, analyze it for return and save it as new strategy or overwrite an old one. You can start wtih and build on a created or "tweaked strategy". You don't have to start with the computer generated chart.

- You can "inherit" a strategy from any other game, either the computer-generated one or one that you have "tweaked" and analyze it to see what return that stategy would return for the game you're working on.

- You can practice using any of the revised strategies. If you wish to practice a penalty-free or other simplified/changed strategy, you can do so w/o getting false errors. You can also practice using the "perfect play" mode.

These are very powerful features that have separated FVP from any other software on the market.

Also;
- FVP has far more "built-in games". I'm not sure how many but I think it's around 60 or so. I have well over a hundred on my copy but I think at least 50 of them are ones I created.

On the other hand, aside from VPSM being able to generate "perfect" strategies, with all the penalty cards, I can't think of really important functionality the combo package would have that FVP doesn't. If I'm missing something, I'm sure someone will remind me.<g>
  As for strategy cards, lots of folks that have VPSM or FVP still prefer to purchase a production, laminated card. The human touch allows for a much easier to read format than any computer generated one. Others will prefer to "roll their own". To each his own. I design the Frugal Stratgegy Cards using the above FVP features.

* I don't know if there's a limit or not - I have created about 15-20 for a single "machine" (game).
Thanks,
Skip
www.vpinsider.com

[Bob_Dancer1]

Thymos asked: I would like to hear if "Bob's" new program will generate
strategy
sheets, of at least the quality of Tomski, and additionally if it
will generate sheets for multistrike, and other games like one eyed
jacks.

There will be a strategy-creation component --- more on the level of FVP
than VPSM. It will be a penalty-free strategy. It is not the same as
FVP. Some areas will be slight better in FVP. Other areas will be
slightly better in VPW (Video Poker for Winners). I've been promised
that we can add an advanced strategy component in version 2.

Multi Strike will be covered --- including strategies. One-eyed jacks
isn't.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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[Chandler1]

I use BDWP for quick and accurate game analysis. It seems less clunky than
doing it on FVP. After the analysis, if it is worth it to practice or
generate a chart, I'll enter it into FVP. Though I prefer the graphics on
BDWP (I think I make fewer errors because of those graphics), I drill and
practice on FVP because I prefer the strategy chart mode. I mostly use FVP
to generate charts these days as well, though I own VPSM. I'm sure I don't
stretch any of these programs to the limits that some do here, but they have
all proven very helpful to me.

The way I use of all this software has evolved over time and I'm sure it
will continue to evolve as new products are introduced. I'm very curious
about Dan's and Bob's new software and I have plenty of disk space available
on my computer.

Chandler

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Subject: [vpFREE] Video Poker Software / Strategy Cards

I think the original track on vp software got side tracked to
unsavory ethics allegations. I think it would be useful to get back
to the original topic.

About 1 1/2 years ago I was in the market for vp software and or
strategy cards. A local "advantage player" who was knowledgeable
about all the available software packages and strategy cards,
recommened the purchase of Tomski Strategy Master and WinPoker. He
said the combination of these two packages offered the best solution
to video poker playes. I have to say I have been very happy with my
purchase of both of these products. Strategy Master does a great job
of quickly generating accurate strategy sheets, theat can be easily
edited to suit your own tastes for presentation and degree of desired
accuracy. I like the way Winpoker presents in decending order the ev
of each draw option. By using the two packages together I beleive you
can generate the optimal set of strategy cards for your own use,
therefore I decided owning these two packages trumped owning any pre-
made strategy cards. I have spoken with many other players who feel
the same way about the benefit of generating your own strategy cards.
Therefore, software dominates strategy cards.

I have heard people mention that frugal contains a strategy generator
and simulator in one package, but, I have been told by several people
that the combined pakcage of Tomski Strategy Master and Winpoker
dominates Frugal software. Some of these packages advertise bells and
whistles that appear to have dubious worth. Graphs may look nice, but
really add nothing. Adding in comp calculations, is really just
clutter. Some calculations are best left for your brain to do. What
discount factor do you apply to comps or promotions? You are better
off thinking this through rather than blinding entering numbers,
garbage-in garbage-out.

I would like to hear if "Bob's" new program will generate strategy
sheets, of at least the quality of Tomski, and additionally if it
will generate sheets for multistrike, and other games like one eyed
jacks.

thymos_one
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