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Video Poker Progressives - Some History

I became a full time video poker player in late 1996. I had parleyed up a small bankroll playing full pay deuces and jackpot cards. I played the deuces at Gold ??? (later River Palms) in Laughlin with .333%, .667%, or 1% cashback depending on the day of the week–and I played the deuce progressives (.5% meter) at the Oasis in Mesquite. Even though I had a small bankroll there was no way I wasn't going to get through the window and parlay up a decent bankroll. I had a cash cow in the advantage slots which were everywhere back then. It was at the Oasis that I got through the window by hitting over $5,000 worth of royals in three weeks. I became an itinerant video poker player working Laughlin, Las Vegas, Reno and Tahoe. Other towns were worked in later. I was like a kid in a candy store. There were strong plays everywhere.

I heard stories of the old progressive teams but they were mostly gone by the time I came around. There was one team still operating in Reno/Carson/Tahoe, but it wasn't Tuna Lund's team. By the late nineties Tuna was working the Florida keno progressives. A couple of years ago my best friend "Al" met Tuna's partner on that play. Information relayed to me was:

It was a dollar denom 8 spot progressive. Him and Tuna split 8 million dollars for the five years they were on the play. Towards the end they were paying people $30 an hour to play the game. They got ripped off twice by people who hit the solid 8 but refused to turn over the money. The strong meter eventually got cut back.

My guess is this was probably the biggest progressive play of all time. With odds on the solid 8 up around 230,000 and knowing of the big drop that keno players take between top line hits, my guess is the ballpark cost (drop and employee cost) to produce a solid hit was somewhere between $120,000 and $140,000.

The old timers in Reno talk about a guy named Kenny the Klone, a college educated (electrical engineering) math genius but compulsive gambler who showed up in Reno in the eighties. The Klone, evidently, saw all those big progressive numbers around town and taught the game to Tuna. Tuna put together a slot team. And, no doubt, Tuna's team competed against Frank Kneeland's team in the eighties and the early nineties.

One of the things I can deduce from information given by Frank Kneeland and others is how abundant the progressive plays were back in the day. A poker dealer at Binion's once told me that at one time you could find a big fat number every day of the week in downtown Las Vegas. Frank stating that his team had as many as 88 members at one time and was competing against 5 other teams tells me those strong progressives were everywhere--probably even in the neighborhood bars, super markets, etc.

Tuna died last year of brain cancer. A few years ago I read somewhere that Kenny the Klone was the proof reader for David Sklansky's 2 + 2 Publishing.

More later. I have to eat breakfast.

MIckey, I always love your posts. You have to write a book or two one of these days. Would you give me a few examples of advantage slots? Somehow the thought of advantage slots hurts my head. hehe

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--- On Mon, 10/4/10, Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Video Poker Progressives - Some History
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 9:48 AM

      I became a full time video poker player in late 1996. I had parleyed up a small bankroll playing full pay deuces and jackpot cards. I played the deuces at Gold ??? (later River Palms) in Laughlin with .333%, .667%, or 1% cashback depending on the day of the week–and I played the deuce progressives (.5% meter) at the Oasis in Mesquite. Even though I had a small bankroll there was no way I wasn't going to get through the window and parlay up a decent bankroll. I had a cash cow in the advantage slots which were everywhere back then. It was at the Oasis that I got through the window by hitting over $5,000 worth of royals in three weeks. I became an itinerant video poker player working Laughlin, Las Vegas, Reno and Tahoe. Other towns were worked in later. I was like a kid in a candy store. There were strong plays everywhere.

I heard stories of the old progressive teams but they were mostly gone by the time I came around. There was one team still operating in Reno/Carson/Tahoe, but it wasn't Tuna Lund's team. By the late nineties Tuna was working the Florida keno progressives. A couple of years ago my best friend "Al" met Tuna's partner on that play. Information relayed to me was:

It was a dollar denom 8 spot progressive. Him and Tuna split 8 million dollars for the five years they were on the play. Towards the end they were paying people $30 an hour to play the game. They got ripped off twice by people who hit the solid 8 but refused to turn over the money. The strong meter eventually got cut back.

My guess is this was probably the biggest progressive play of all time. With odds on the solid 8 up around 230,000 and knowing of the big drop that keno players take between top line hits, my guess is the ballpark cost (drop and employee cost) to produce a solid hit was somewhere between $120,000 and $140,000.

The old timers in Reno talk about a guy named Kenny the Klone, a college educated (electrical engineering) math genius but compulsive gambler who showed up in Reno in the eighties. The Klone, evidently, saw all those big progressive numbers around town and taught the game to Tuna. Tuna put together a slot team. And, no doubt, Tuna's team competed against Frank Kneeland's team in the eighties and the early nineties.

One of the things I can deduce from information given by Frank Kneeland and others is how abundant the progressive plays were back in the day. A poker dealer at Binion's once told me that at one time you could find a big fat number every day of the week in downtown Las Vegas. Frank stating that his team had as many as 88 members at one time and was competing against 5 other teams tells me those strong progressives were everywhere--probably even in the neighborhood bars, super markets, etc.

Tuna died last year of brain cancer. A few years ago I read somewhere that Kenny the Klone was the proof reader for David Sklansky's 2 + 2 Publishing.

More later. I have to eat breakfast.

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There are still a few things around but the advantage slot boom has been over with for several years now. The first advantage slot I ever saw was in October of 1996. It was manufactured by Williams and called Piggy Bankin'. The Williams machines were the first wave of advantage slots. Silicon Gaming soon followed with another wave of advantage games on their Odyssey machines. And IGT soon followed that with their Vision Series. "Advantage slots" is just a descriptive term. It doesn't mean the house loses money on the machine. If it's a 92% machine then the house will make about 8% on the action per the long run. Advantage slots are generally machines that have a game withiin the game and something is being banked.

From 92 to 96 I played the 1 to 5 no ante stud 8 or better games in such places as Deadwood, South Dakota, Cripple Creek, Colorado, Albuquerque, New Mexico, Tama, Iowa and Mount Pleasant, Michigan. It was the only poker game I could beat. I won simply because the players were so bad. When the players are good Stud 8 or Better is the worse game in the world to play....but with bad players it's the best game to play. But the games had dried up on me. I had to find something else to play.

I might have beat those games to death, but I was a very undisciplined person. I had no concept of bankroll, i.e., money management. I blew everything I made, not on stupid gambling, but another stupid thing I'm famous for....wine, women, and song.

It was early October, 1996 and I was standing under an awning about a block from Interstate 5 in Lodi, California--with my small backpack and sleeping bag. It had been raining cats and dogs for three days. I was thumbing to the Seattle area to work day labor for a week or two then hit the cardrooms. Three days in Lodi gave me enough time to talk myself out of what I was doing. If it's raining in Lodi it's snowing in the Siskiyou's up on the Oregon border.

When the weather broke I simply turned around and started thumbing south to Southern Nevada. I wound up in Laughlin. The money count was 99 cents when I got there, I still had some rolling tobacco left. I was hustlin' credits in Harrah's and befriended a blackjack player who told me the locals were beating some slot machine called Piggy Bankin'. I asked him to show me the machines. Betweem laps around the casino hustlin' credits I would grab a seat close to the Pig machines and watch what was going on. There were 6 quarter machines in the bank and on the other side 6 dollar machines. I watched the quarters as they were the ones gettig most of the action. There was a couple other people just hanging around watching too.

The Pigs were three-reel slots. You could hit mixed bars, single bars, double bars, triple bars, three sevens....and the top line hit was the three pigs. At the top of the machine was a computer screen with a piggy bank. The piggy bank started with 10 coins in it. Every time the three reels came with all blanks ooins would drop into the bank. If you were betting one coin it would put one ooin in the bank, if you were betting two coins it would put two coins in the bank. On the third reel was a symbol called "Break the Bank." When that symbol landed on the line the Piggy Bank would erupt and you would be awarded all the coins in the bank. Then it would reset at 10 coins.

So this was what I was seeing that day at Harrah's: A tourist/ploppie type player would stick a bill in the machine and go to playing TWO COINS at a time. Every time the reels caught blanks two coins would go into the bank. Every once in a while the "Break the Bank" symbol would land on the line and break the bank. But eventually the tourist would get into a bad run, they would catch a lot of blanks and run the bank way up. It could go up to 30, 40, 50, 60 coins, and even higher sometimes. The tourist would run out of credits and walk off from the machine leaving all those coins in the bank. A person hanging around the area would then go to the machine, stick a bill in and start betting ONE COIN. They would play until they broke the bank, then cash out and go back to hanging around....waiting for another play.

I took off up river going through the casinos credit hustling and looking for the pig machines. They were pretty much in all the joints. By the time I got to the Edgewater I had about $20 on me. A lady walked off from a pig machine leaving it on 65. I dropped a quarter in and broke the bank on the first spin of the first pig I ever played. I had no idea of how high a number I needed to play but decided to stick to machines where the number was 50 or higher. I avoided the dollar machines. A couple of days later I was up to a $300 bankroll and seen a dollar denom on 54. I went for it and broke the bank on about the fourth spin. I was off and running on dollars too. As my bankroll grew I kept lowering the number I would play.

Eventually I did my own empirical study of the Laughlin Pig machines. I came up with a breakeven number of 18 when bettig one coin. The "Break the Bank" symbol would land about every 90 spins. The reels caught blanks about every 11 spins. The Pigs were basically rapid progressives that went positive fairly quicky. But the house still made it's money. Guys like me cut into their profit a little simply because we didn't play the money back when the machine went negative.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, hedonist144 <hedonist144@...> wrote:

Would you give me a few examples of advantage >slots? Somehow the >thought of advantage slots hurts my head. hehe

From his posts and his podcast with Howard Schwartz, Frank has stated that they played the 8/5 dollar Jacks of Better Progs at $11,000, and they used a max ER strategy if they were competing against other players. The following stats are based on an $11,000 royal and do not reflect the improvement in royal odds by shifting strategy at each breakpoint.

This would be there expectation using a constant strategy:

Royal Odds: 31,928
Expected Return: 101.4459% + 2% meter movement
Payback Represented by the Royal: 6.89%
101.4459% minus 6.89% = 94.5559%
100% minus 94.5559% = 5.4441%
Loss Rate Between Royals = 5.4441%
31,928 X $5 = $159,640
$159,640 X 5.4441% = $8,691
Expected cost to produce royal is $8,691
$159,640 X 2% = $3,193
Expected meter rise is $3,193
$11,000 + $3,193 = $14,193
$14,193 minus the cost of $8,691 = an average profit of $5502.

Using an average speed of 800 HPH per player, a ten person team would be producing 8000 hands per hour. Average time to take off the royal would be 4 hours. So the team as a whole would have an expected earn of $1376 per hour.

I'm a tourist. Even though I visited only once or twice per year, I still found Wild Cherry Pie machines with only one cherry to go (found this twice, once on a $1 machine) and Boom machines with 49 firecrackers (found this maybe 5 times). I hit a top jackpot one time: on Boom.

Some machines I got to play only once in my lifetime: Video WOF, Slot Bingo, and Temperature's Risin' come to mind. And there were a few I saw, but never got to play: Shopping Spree, and an IGT Vision Series baseball themed game (don't remember the name).

I once walked into Boulder Station on a Friday at 3pm and repeatedly circled the casino, hitting banks of Boom, the various IGT Vision Series, and Red Hot 7's machines for about 4 hours before I ran out of machines to play. My profit was only something like $30, but I remember this playing session because it lasted so long. My piss-poor profit might also explain why I (presumably) had no other competition that afternoon :slight_smile:

Some of the people doing this were awfully scruffy, and would take it personally when they saw you checking the machines for playability. I guess I was too well-dressed to fit into their world. From that perspective, it was a turn-off.

I remember taking a free weekend at Westward Ho where I played nothing but their safe cracker machines. I would stop in the casino on my way out, and again when I returned. I also saw what was a come-on here for the first time: an IGT machine that would slowly increase the payout from something like 2x to 16x when you got a certain symbol on the payline. I found it at 16x. It was a $1 machine. I wasn't sure if I should play. I walked away, someone else was there in 10 seconds, and I hung around to learn. I watched them lose about $200 before getting the 16x bonus on the smallest payout possible. A short-term result, of course, but it taught me to stay away from that machine in the future.

I quit looking for these machines years ago. The last time I was in town, I saw a grand total of 1 machine during a 10-day stay. Oh well, I fondly remember the "good old days".

I remember when the Mirage first opened, there was a bank of .25c progressive machines that I started playing in the afternoon. All I remember was the jackpot was really high but you still could get on a machine in the afternoon with no problem. I ran out of money and had to have some wired via WU in order to keep playing. The jackpot went over 10,000 dollars before someone hit it.

The machine you speak of was called Good Times. It was part of the second wave of the IGT Vision Series. It was IGT's ripoff version of the Williams machine called X FACTOR. The multiplier advanced when the reels caught all blanks--and maxed out at 12X. I played them at 8X or higher. Good Times was a bankroll play. If you could float the money swings they were highly profitable. The trick was to run volume, 30 or forty plays a week. The big hits would come in.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bigjohnzzz" <bigjohnzzz@...> wrote:

I remember taking a free weekend at Westward Ho where I played >nothing but their safe cracker machines. I would stop in the casino >on my way out, and again when I returned. I also saw what was a come->on here for the first time: an IGT machine that would slowly increase >the payout from something like 2x to 16x when you got a certain symbol >on the payline. I found it at 16x. It was a $1 machine. I wasn't >sure if I should play. I walked away, someone else was there in 10 >seconds, and I hung around to learn. I watched them lose about $200 >before getting the 16x bonus on the smallest payout possible. A short->term result, of course, but it taught me to stay away from that >machine in the future.

Sounds like the 25 cent slot Good Time machine the Monte Carlo still has in play near the back of the casino. Our first visit there my wife got hooked on it one night till she got it all the way up to the top mulitiplier and won something like 4,000 quarters.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bigjohnzzz" <bigjohnzzz@> wrote:
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> I remember taking a free weekend at Westward Ho where I played >nothing but their safe cracker machines. I would stop in the casino >on my way out, and again when I returned. I also saw what was a come->on here for the first time: an IGT machine that would slowly increase >the payout from something like 2x to 16x when you got a certain symbol >on the payline. I found it at 16x. It was a $1 machine. I wasn't >sure if I should play. I walked away, someone else was there in 10 >seconds, and I hung around to learn. I watched them lose about $200 >before getting the 16x bonus on the smallest payout possible. A short->term result, of course, but it taught me to stay away from that >machine in the future.
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The machine you speak of was called Good Times. It was part of the second wave of the IGT Vision Series. It was IGT's ripoff version of the Williams machine called X FACTOR. The multiplier advanced when the reels caught all blanks--and maxed out at 12X. I played them at 8X or higher. Good Times was a bankroll play. If you could float the money swings they were highly profitable. The trick was to run volume, 30 or forty plays a week. The big hits would come in.

All accurate. I bumped with Tuna's team in Tahoe and Reno quite a lot. We eventually ended up partnering. The ones we saw most often were, "French Mike" and "Tom the Hat". I never partnered with "the Klone", but my partner did.

Cool post, brings back a lot of memories.

~Only those that risk going too far, will ever know how far they can go.

~Frank Kneeland, Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives--A History and How-To of Video Poker Slot Teams in Las Vegas. www.progressivevp.com

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

I became a full time video poker player in late 1996. I had parleyed up a small bankroll playing full pay deuces and jackpot cards. I played the deuces at Gold ??? (later River Palms) in Laughlin with .333%, .667%, or 1% cashback depending on the day of the week–and I played the deuce progressives (.5% meter) at the Oasis in Mesquite. Even though I had a small bankroll there was no way I wasn't going to get through the window and parlay up a decent bankroll. I had a cash cow in the advantage slots which were everywhere back then. It was at the Oasis that I got through the window by hitting over $5,000 worth of royals in three weeks. I became an itinerant video poker player working Laughlin, Las Vegas, Reno and Tahoe. Other towns were worked in later. I was like a kid in a candy store. There were strong plays everywhere.

I heard stories of the old progressive teams but they were mostly gone by the time I came around. There was one team still operating in Reno/Carson/Tahoe, but it wasn't Tuna Lund's team. By the late nineties Tuna was working the Florida keno progressives. A couple of years ago my best friend "Al" met Tuna's partner on that play. Information relayed to me was:

It was a dollar denom 8 spot progressive. Him and Tuna split 8 million dollars for the five years they were on the play. Towards the end they were paying people $30 an hour to play the game. They got ripped off twice by people who hit the solid 8 but refused to turn over the money. The strong meter eventually got cut back.

My guess is this was probably the biggest progressive play of all time. With odds on the solid 8 up around 230,000 and knowing of the big drop that keno players take between top line hits, my guess is the ballpark cost (drop and employee cost) to produce a solid hit was somewhere between $120,000 and $140,000.

The old timers in Reno talk about a guy named Kenny the Klone, a college educated (electrical engineering) math genius but compulsive gambler who showed up in Reno in the eighties. The Klone, evidently, saw all those big progressive numbers around town and taught the game to Tuna. Tuna put together a slot team. And, no doubt, Tuna's team competed against Frank Kneeland's team in the eighties and the early nineties.

One of the things I can deduce from information given by Frank Kneeland and others is how abundant the progressive plays were back in the day. A poker dealer at Binion's once told me that at one time you could find a big fat number every day of the week in downtown Las Vegas. Frank stating that his team had as many as 88 members at one time and was competing against 5 other teams tells me those strong progressives were everywhere--probably even in the neighborhood bars, super markets, etc.

Tuna died last year of brain cancer. A few years ago I read somewhere that Kenny the Klone was the proof reader for David Sklansky's 2 + 2 Publishing.

More later. I have to eat breakfast.

Wow, well I guess Mickey doesn't need to read the math sections of my book . Nice job. The only thing you left out was wages, and skill level, which you wouldn't have anyway to know. I'll help:

Hourly = $10 an hour
RF Bonus = $200
Hand Speed = 700
Total Wages = $656
Cost of Errors = ??? $200 ???

Actual Cost with wages, errors, tips, AND EVERYTHING = $9,600

~Only a fool a always certain. The truly wise live forever in doubt.

~Frank Kneeland, Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives--A History and How-To of Video Poker Slot Teams in Las Vegas. www.progressivevp.com

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

From his posts and his podcast with Howard Schwartz, Frank has stated that they played the 8/5 dollar Jacks of Better Progs at $11,000, and they used a max ER strategy if they were competing against other players. The following stats are based on an $11,000 royal and do not reflect the improvement in royal odds by shifting strategy at each breakpoint.

This would be there expectation using a constant strategy:

Royal Odds: 31,928
Expected Return: 101.4459% + 2% meter movement
Payback Represented by the Royal: 6.89%
101.4459% minus 6.89% = 94.5559%
100% minus 94.5559% = 5.4441%
Loss Rate Between Royals = 5.4441%
31,928 X $5 = $159,640
$159,640 X 5.4441% = $8,691
Expected cost to produce royal is $8,691
$159,640 X 2% = $3,193
Expected meter rise is $3,193
$11,000 + $3,193 = $14,193
$14,193 minus the cost of $8,691 = an average profit of $5502.

Using an average speed of 800 HPH per player, a ten person team would be producing 8000 hands per hour. Average time to take off the royal would be 4 hours. So the team as a whole would have an expected earn of $1376 per hour.

That was my team. We pulled a few players off the quarter, because the Hilton dollar was over $26,000, which explains why seats were available at that number. We hit that quarter at $10,000 for loss of about $6,000. I believe it was one of only two losses that month. Those were the days.

~We are surrounded on all sides by mysteries, but mysteries once solved are never quite so interesting.

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "stuckinvegas" <stuckinvegas@...> wrote:

I remember when the Mirage first opened, there was a bank of .25c progressive machines that I started playing in the afternoon. All I remember was the jackpot was really high but you still could get on a machine in the afternoon with no problem. I ran out of money and had to have some wired via WU in order to keep playing. The jackpot went over 10,000 dollars before someone hit it.

That makes sense, thanks. I made the right decision not the play Good Times. My wallet might be able to handle the bankroll swings, but my brain could not. I'd be obsessing over the extreme losses. When I leave Vegas in the red, I always make sure the amount is small enough that it doesn't affect me mentally.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

The machine you speak of was called Good Times. It was part of the second wave of the IGT Vision Series. It was IGT's ripoff version of the Williams machine called X FACTOR. The multiplier advanced when the reels caught all blanks--and maxed out at 12X. I played them at 8X or higher. Good Times was a bankroll play. If you could float the money swings they were highly profitable. The trick was to run volume, 30 or forty plays a week. The big hits would come in.

It looks like some of these machines are still around. On the top screen of a Good Times you will see this:

12X / 144X
10X / 100X
8X / 64X
7X / 49X
6X / 36X
5X / 25X
4X / 16X
3X / 9X
2X / 4X

The multiplier generally starts on 2X or 3X. Good Times is a three reel slot machine. The symbols are Single Bars, Double Bars, Triple Bars, Purple Sevens, Red Sevens (my memory is faulty on the sevens, I can't remember if there were three different colored sevens or just two) and the main symbol is Good Times. And I can't remember what the payscale is.

If the reels catch all blanks the multiplier will advance to the next level. I can't remember what the frequency is but the multiplier will keep going up unti a hit is made or it maxes out at 12X.

When you catch Good Times-Single Bar-Single Bar you will get paid according to where the multiplier is. If it is on 5X / 25X, you will get paid five times what single bars normally pay. The multiplier will then reset weighted randomly. It usually comes back on 2 or 3 but will occasionally reset higher, even up to 12X.

When you catch Good Times-Good Times-Single Bar you will get paid according to where the multiplier is. If it is on 5X / 25X you will get paid 25X what the single bars normally pay. And the multiplier will reset. It works the same way for the other symbols.

I started playing Good Times because of a conversation I had with a hustler friend of mine that we all called Peg-Leg Rich. He was lamentiing the fact that he had promised a friend of his he would stay out of Bally's. When I asked what his friend was doing, Rich said he was playing the Good Times. Rich also let go of another piece of information, his buddy had run his bankroll from $5,000 to $20,000 playing the game. This goes back to the early 2000's. There were lots of Good Times in Bally's in quarter, fifty cent, and dollars.

I had huge success on Good Times. I tracked my play. I played at 8X or higher. I was at breakeven up through Good Times-Good Times-Single Bar. The Good Times-Good Times-Double Bar and higher hits were all gravy.

Here's some more hints. Good Times comes in the two coin version and the three coin version. Stay away from the three coin version. When you make the hit always make one more spin. It may come back on a good multiplier, and you never leave a hit in the window that might give a tourist a clue.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bigjohnzzz" <bigjohnzzz@...> wrote:

That makes sense, thanks. I made the right decision not the play >Good Times. My wallet might be able to handle the bankroll swings, >but my brain could not. I'd be obsessing over the extreme losses. >When I leave Vegas in the red, I always make sure the amount is >small enough that it doesn't affect me mentally.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> The machine you speak of was called Good Times. It was part of >the second wave of the IGT Vision Series. It was IGT's ripoff >version of the Williams machine called X FACTOR. The multiplier >advanced when the reels caught all blanks--and maxed out at 12X. I >played them at 8X or higher. Good Times was a bankroll play. If >you could float the money swings they were highly profitable. The >trick was to run volume, 30 or forty plays a week. The big hits >would come in.

The machine you speak of was called Good Times. It was part of the second wave of the IGT Vision Series. It was IGT's ripoff version
of the Williams machine called X FACTOR. The multiplier advanced
when the reels caught all blanks--and maxed out at 12X. I played them at 8X or higher. Good Times was a bankroll play. If you could float the money swings they were highly profitable. The trick was to run volume, 30 or forty plays a week. The big hits would come in.

It looks like some of these machines are still around. On the top screen of a Good Times you will see this:
12X / 144X
10X / 100X
8X / 64X
7X / 49X
6X / 36X
5X / 25X
4X / 16X
3X / 9X
2X / 4X

The multiplier generally starts on 2X or 3X. Good Times is a three reel slot machine. The symbols are Single Bars, Double Bars, Triple Bars, Purple Sevens, Red Sevens (my memory is faulty on the sevens, I can't remember if there were three different colored sevens or just two) and the main symbol is Good Times. And I can't remember what the payscale is.

If the reels catch all blanks the multiplier will advance to the next level. I can't remember what the frequency is but the multiplier will keep going up unti a hit is made or it maxes out at 12X.

When you catch Good Times-Single Bar-Single Bar you will get paid according to where the multiplier is. If it is on 5X / 25X, you will get paid five times what single bars normally pay. The multiplier will then reset weighted randomly. It usually comes back on 2 or 3 but will occasionally reset higher, even up to 12X.

When you catch Good Times-Good Times-Single Bar you will get paid according to where the multiplier is. If it is on 5X / 25X you will get paid 25X what the single bars normally pay. And the multiplier will reset. It works the same way for the other symbols.

I started playing Good Times because of a conversation I had with a hustler friend of mine that we all called Peg-Leg Rich. He was lamentiing the fact that he had promised a friend of his he would stay out of Bally's. When I asked what his friend was doing, Rich said he was playing the Good Times. Rich also let go of another piece of information, his buddy had run his bankroll from $5,000 to $20,000 playing the game. This goes back to the early 2000's. There were lots of Good Times in Bally's in quarter, fifty cent, and dollars.

I had huge success on Good Times. I tracked my play. I played at 8X or higher. I was at breakeven up through Good Times-Good Times-Single Bar. The Good Times-Good Times-Double Bar and higher hits were all gravy.

Here's some more hints. Good Times comes in the two coin version and the three coin version. Stay away from the three coin version. When you make the hit always make one more spin. It may come back on a good multiplier, and you never leave a hit in the window that might give a tourist a clue.

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This is a post I wrote on Good Times a couple of years ago. Give me a casino with about a dozen of these machines scattered around the casino floor....and no competition from other hustlers....and the machines get enough action where I can get in 15 or 20 plays a day....well, I'm gonna knock that casino for $10,000+ a month. In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote: