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Video Poker - Optimum Play second edition

rockofjello333 wrote:

Does the second edition of the book differ markedly from the first?
In other words, is the information updated to reflect the
drastically increased difficulty of making significant $$$ in
the "new" VP milieu?

The main updates to the book are to cover a couple of newer games and to replace the old risk of ruin calculations with the Sorokin formula. There are numerous minor updates and corrections. Since I have never written for the "significant $$$" players (i.e., the self-proclaimed pros), there has been little change for my audience.

Specifically, that what you did in the late 90's (the subject of the book) is no longer possible?

What I did in the early 90's, late 90's and early 2000's obviously is still possible because I'm still doing it. Specifically, playing mostly full pay Deuces Wild, but the comps and slot club benefits are better now. Although there are fewer such games available now, I never have trouble getting on a good machine.

Like "The Frugal Gambler" and "Beat The Dealer", your book makes for
an interesting read but now has more historical interest than
practical value.

Strange, but you're the only one who has ever made that comment. The book is as valuable for beginning and intermediate players as it ever was. It may be even more valuable now because it's more important to look for good conditions.

It would be interesting if you wrote a book on how
to "survive" VP (how to gamble at VP at little or no cost in order
to enhance a Vegas vacation), but that has never been your
perspective or goal.

It seems that Jean Scott has already done that. Both of us have always recommended using our books together.

Such a book, however, would be of more interest
to this group than the story of "how I abandoned all scruples and
subordinated my personal life to the pursuit of big bucks at VP".

I have not abandoned any scruples. I have never pursued the "big bucks." I have always been a skilled recreational player, and continue to do so. My interest is still in helping such players.

Since you appear to have "switched sides", as it were (since the
realtionship between skilled players and casinos will always be an
adversarial one), one wonders whether the continued publication of
your exploits will do more harm than good, in that it may encourage
the uninformed to try something (move to Vegas and rape and pillage
the VP machines and make big bucks) that cannot in fact be done any
longer.

I have not "switched sides", whatever you mean by that, and I have never published my exploits. Apparently you're confusing me with a well-known "pro." It's true that the vultures quickly kill any big bucks opportunity that happens to become available, but I have never been part of that group. If you had actually read my book, you would know that I am against that type of play.

Before criticizing my, you should get to know me and my publications a little better.

Dan

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Dan Paymar
Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur

Before criticizing my, you should get to know me and my

publications

a little better.

Dan

I have indeed read your publications and they were of considerable
help to me AT THE TIME THAY WERE WRITTEN.

Conditions out in the "real world" have changed so much now that
profitable VP play is a questionable prospect at best. Yes, I know
that at present, there are still a few opportunities to play quarter
deuces wild (although every week it seems like one more casino has
killed off its inventory of those machines), albeit with drastically
reduced slot club benefits and the exclusion from slot club mailing
lists); ironically, it may be better for a recreational player to
play 9/6 DDB and not be stamped "Undesirable" by a slot club's
computer.

I'm sorry if my language was unduly harsh. I was under the
impression, from third party reports I will admit, that in order to
supplement your income, you had accepted consulting positions with
the casinos. You are, of course, entitled to do what you wish in
that regard, but I do not see how one can simultaneously be a casino
advisor and a player advocate. Again, if this is not actually the
case, my apologies.

Your book contained a great deal of practical information (as
opposed to a recent book by a certain BD, with whom I am NOT
confusing you), but almost all that information is now out of date.
The possibilities simply do not exist any longer. I feel it is a
disservice to continue to disseminate this information without
warning readers how much, much more difficult VP conditions have
become. To re-use an analogy, millions of copies of "Beat the
Dealer" were sold AFTER the casinos went to shoes with three decks
cut off, and preferential shuffling in hand-held games. They should
have been taken off the shelf and replaced with a heavily revised
new edition reflecting the worsened playing conditions.

I am also puzzled by your statement that you continue to make a
living playing VP. How do you you make a hourly wage that would do
more than feed a hamster? I know how you can pull in $8/hr, but that
doesn't beat McDonald's.

---ROJ

I don't agree with most of the criticisms made of Optimum VP. A
beginning player can't help but learn a lot by reading a good VP book
like Optimium VP. Even Stanford Wong's book is useful to beginners,
although it is definitely dated (he told me it was). But I do agree
somewhat with the "survive VP" comment. None of the books on VP
emphasize an important point ... you MUST play a huge number of
games, very accurately, to squeeze out the luck factor and realize
close to the expected value of a game. This point is usually hinted
at, but rarely (if ever) stated explicitely in the VP books. I'm
sure BD plays millions of games every year. That's why I've always
been interested in the normal distribution as it applies to VP. If
it does apply (and I think it does), then its possible to get an
accurate estimate of how many games that "huge number" actually is!
It's unfortunate, but true, that VP books seem reluctant to tell
readers the time and effort it takes to beat VP. Victor Royer's
book "Powerful Profits at Video Poker" is totally misleading in this
regard ... on the back cover it states "VP is the only casino game
you can beat with consistency". That's ridiculous.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@O...> wrote:

rockofjello333 wrote:

>It would be interesting if you wrote a book on how
>to "survive" VP (how to gamble at VP at little or no cost in order
>to enhance a Vegas vacation), but that has never been your
>perspective or goal.

It seems that Jean Scott has already done that. Both of us have
always recommended using our books together.