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Video Poker Observations From a Beginner

As I prepare for a first video poker visit to Las Vegas, there are
many new thoughts that flow thru my head. I'm sure experienced video
poker players have had these same thoughts, and have dealt with them,
only to go on with their video poker education! If that's the case
with you, then you get to chime in with your observations, and then
this beginner will learn all the more quickly!

I come from a tight-belt-budget, retired-person's perspective, and
that's probably very different than that for most video poker
players. There's our valuable free-and-clear home being prepared for
sale (and that might be a situation with many retirees), there's the
ample free time available to retirees, and there's the short-money
situation. So my optimum solution concerning video poker is likely to
be very different than the optimum solution you've come up with. As I
read the vpFREE chatroom content it's obvious that what I'm going to
come up with will be different than what most would. It's diversity
that makes life interesting, I should think! So I represent a point
of view of those of us who live quiet lives of desperation, having
little extra money at hand, and often settling into a drab, quasi-
existence. But I don't intend for that to happen to me, or at least
I'll fight it!

What are comps, and what are their true value? Let's say I'm in Las
Vegas, starting a typical day. I'm going to handle food different
than most. I'll be satisfied with minimum food to provide an
interesting and enjoyable vacation experience for me. Bye, bye drab!
So I time my visit to the Main Street buffet so that I'm charged the
breakfast rate, and I eat and read poker books, and I merge into the
lunch period. This will be my only meal that day. It will consist
mostly of the delightful breakfast Main Street puts on, but if I like
I can sample a thing or two from their lunch menu, without added
cost. So it takes me 1 1/2 hours to eat, who's counting? The idea is
I'm paying $5.95 (or whatever it is today), and it will cover my
needs for the day. Towards evening, since I have low blood sugar,
I'll get a chocolate malt from McDonalds at Union Plaza ($2), so my
net expense for food is $9, including a $1 tip at Main Street buffet.

Food comps, for me, are worth about $9. Oh sure, I'd like to eat at
the Ballagio (sp?), and I might view food comps as being as much as
$12 for that privilege, but being comped to a Ballagio lunch ($26,
last time I went there) will be viewed as WORTH not more than $12,
including all 3 meals that day. Gee, if the casinos want to feed me 3
squares in a certain day, and want to view those meals as being worth
$78 for the day, that's their problem! My needs are accomodated with
$9, and maybe $12. After that, I'm simply being gluttonous. The
distinction relates to utility value. If a casino presses me to stand
on my head at their casino, so as to get their wonderful dinner into
my already stuffed stomach, I'm just not going to do that!

Bottom-line, with my set of perspectives I can work to earn comps for
$9 worth of food, not $78. I just don't have to jump thru as many
hoops as the next guy, and no one is going to conn me into believing
they have my best interest at heart, just because their dinner costs
$40. And as to $25 per shot aged Scotch, I'd prefer my rotgut so as
to retain my dignity. Now really, try as you would, you'd have a hard
time being comped rotgut anywhere in the Las Vegas casinos. The worst
liquor is still pretty wonderful, compared to a drab life, that is.

It's the same with rooms, as it is for food and liquor. Last time I
was in Las Vegas I stayed on the 17th floor of the Four Queens, and
it cost $23/night. I believe they were inbetween managements or
ownerships (whatever), and they were giving away rooms. So I do my
research and find casino X has a decent room for $40/night. Well,
that's the utility level for rooms, in my utilitarian view! The
$100/night room might be 6 square ft. bigger, and the car just a year
old rather than 3, but still it's utility to me is just $40/night.
I'll jump thru hoops to get my $40 room, but I won't jump thru a few
more hoops to be comped the $100 room. And I sure as heck won't
believe in my heart-of-hearts that I'm being comped a spec more than
the $40/night I could get, when I work at it.

I was a landlord, and had 1,000 apartments. When I left the apartment
business in 1976, rents were still $150/month, utilities paid. Thru
the magic of finance, $billion structures are now built in Las Vegas,
and rents are often $3,100/month for a single large room (not a 800
sq ft 2 bedroom, living room, kitchen, closets and parking place
apartment). This is progress, of course!

So in this funny house, replete with curved mirrors to provide
optical distortion and smoke too, everything is upside-down! That's
why, for my own special strategy regarding video poker, the Drab-Life-
Escape Strategy (DLES), I value packages of free nights obtained thru
the mails quite highly. After all, if I'm driving to Las Vegas
starting at 3 AM on Sunday morning, and leaving to drive to Kingman,
AZ on Friday at 9 PM, then 3 free nights from a mailer are 60% of my
$40 x 5 = $200 room expense. Two such packages and I'm actually
staying free. That's the kind of comp for rooms I prefer. It's all
very disciplined, but nevertheless my DLES is fun, fun, fun! Life is
supposed to be fun, but it's also supposed to be disciplined...

I was reading a trip report, and the fellow was documenting comps
that were often 2, 3, and even 5 $hundreds in an individual day! I'm
saying mine is $49/day, and if I get rooms thru the mail, then my
comps are $9 to $12/day. I'm not going to trick myself into believing
some of this overpriced stuff is real.

Now with this tight, cheap and stingy DLES described, you can see,
even though I'm nearly 68 years old, I should have enough stamina to
play the level of VP needed to have wonderful trips to Las Vegas!
Shows, fancy buffets (when obtained without jumping thru extra
hoops), interesting and exotic drinks, and lots of neat people to
talk to; isn't that what successful Las Vegas trips are intended to
be?

Dave

Based on what your objectives are , I think you will be extremely happy with the comps and mail offers from places like the El Cortez, MSS, Sams Town.
These are places that appreciate the players of modest means.

Regards
A.P.

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Dave Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@comcast.net> wrote:

  As I prepare for a first video poker visit to Las Vegas, there are many new thoughts that flow thru my head......What are comps, and what are their true value? ....Food comps, for me, are worth about $9. Oh sure, I'd like to eat at
the Ballagio (sp?), and I might view food comps as being as much as $12 for that privilege. . . Gee, if the casinos want to feed me 3 squares in a certain day, and want to view those meals as being worth $78 for the day, that's their problem! My needs are accomodated with $9, and maybe $12. After that, I'm simply being gluttonous....Bottom-line, with my set of perspectives I can work to earn comps for $9 worth of food, not $78. I just don't have to jump thru as many hoops as the next guy, and no one is going to conn me into believing they have my best interest at heart, just because their dinner costs $40. . . .I'll jump thru hoops to get my $40 room, but I won't jump thru a few
more hoops to be comped the $100 room. And I sure as heck won't believe in my heart-of-hearts that I'm being comped a spec more than the $40/night I could get, when I work at it.....That's why, for my own special strategy regarding video poker, the Drab-Life-Escape Strategy (DLES). . . That's the kind of comp for rooms I prefer. It's all very disciplined, but nevertheless my DLES is fun, fun, fun! Life is supposed to be fun, but it's also supposed to be disciplined.....Now with this tight, cheap and stingy DLES described, you can see, even though I'm nearly 68 years old, I should have enough stamina to play the level of VP needed to have wonderful trips to Las Vegas!
Shows, fancy buffets (when obtained without jumping thru extra hoops), interesting and exotic drinks, and lots of neat people to talk to; isn't that what successful Las Vegas trips are intended to be? Dave<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
   
  Dave-- I think you have hit the nail on the head with your "Jump Thru Hoops" theory. Jean Scott has even stated (Jean--correct me if I'm wrong)
  that comps should only be valued at what YOU would pay for that same service/product. She even went on to state that Brad didn't like or want $300 dollar shirts even if they were "free"/comped. I think we--you, me and Jean S-- think alike and I also surmise that many others here will subscribe to the "Jump thru Hoops" and the DLES theory of comps in Las Vegas. I also guess that those that play at a higher level don't see it as "jumping thru hoops" but more as a result of their actions. I like your thinking after 68 years. . .
  and I hope you have a great trip to (as a friend of mind calls it) Mecca. . . . .
  
Jean H--
   
  You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes.
You can steer yourself any direction you choose.
You're on your own. And you know what you know.
  And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go.... Dr. Suess

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Appreciate these specific recommendations very much! This especially
since they are oriented towards the thrifty strategy I'm in process of
developing.

I've played a little craps at El Cortez, and they have a poker room. Of
course, my interest in poker started only a bit less than a year ago,
so I have no recollection of this poker game. But I'll bet it would be
a wonderful room. What you're saying is El Cortez intends to be
generous with their comps, has good +E video poker, and probably fits
with my developing strategy. Interestingly, the fellow who owned many
casinos in Las Vegas, including the Orleans, and Union Plaza, had lived
at the El Cortez for many years.

The Main Street buffet is a favorite with me (breakfast and lunch).
I've also played quite a bit of craps there. Nice people! I don't think
they have poker, but there's plenty of that nearby. I don't know
anything about their hotel, but I'm an easygoing person...

Sam's Town comes up again and again. I know they have a poker room. But
frankly I haven't taken the time to locate this casino within Las
Vegas. Of course, given the wonders of the horseless carriage, one of
which I'll be ensconced in, all these places are quite a bit closer
together than the map seems to indicate.

Dave

Based on what your objectives are , I think you will be extremely

happy with the comps and mail offers from places like the El Cortez,
MSS, Sams Town.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:

These are places that appreciate the players of modest means.

Regards
A.P.

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Thank you for your encouragement, concerning my DLES (Drab-Life
Escape Strategy)!

One thing I failed to mention, after one has received 3 tee shirts
(and must haul them back home), the 4th tee shirt offered is scarcely
worth jumping thru a very easy hoop for! Utility is often a function
of circumstances. I notice the fancy jackets some folks wear, bearing
the logos for certain famous Las Vegas gambling establishments, and
I've never owned one. Jean Scott was saying in 'The Frugal Gambler'
that her husband has 60 of them, and he really likes them.

The other day I joined my first slot club at an Indian casino 7 miles
advertisement advised any and all that I did all my playing at XXX
Casino. Well, I do no such thing! I do none of my playing there.
Haven't gambled a penny there in five years. But I like their 2 for 1
buffet for Tuesdays! I've never worn a black shirt of any kind, but
at a garage sale I'd easily pay a quarter for one, if it fit and were
in new condition (even if it said something strange in white letters,
like the other shirt!). I might use it for cleaning cloths, or
something...

So, when it comes to comps, be sceptical!

Dave

>>>>Dave Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@c...> wrote:
  As I prepare for a first video poker visit to Las Vegas, there

are many new thoughts that flow thru my head......What are comps, and
what are their true value? ....Food comps, for me, are worth about
$9. Oh sure, I'd like to eat at

the Ballagio (sp?), and I might view food comps as being as much as

$12 for that privilege. . . Gee, if the casinos want to feed me 3
squares in a certain day, and want to view those meals as being worth
$78 for the day, that's their problem! My needs are accomodated with
$9, and maybe $12. After that, I'm simply being gluttonous....Bottom-
line, with my set of perspectives I can work to earn comps for $9
worth of food, not $78. I just don't have to jump thru as many hoops
as the next guy, and no one is going to conn me into believing they
have my best interest at heart, just because their dinner costs
$40. . . .I'll jump thru hoops to get my $40 room, but I won't jump
thru a few

more hoops to be comped the $100 room. And I sure as heck won't

believe in my heart-of-hearts that I'm being comped a spec more than
the $40/night I could get, when I work at it.....That's why, for my
own special strategy regarding video poker, the Drab-Life-Escape
Strategy (DLES). . . That's the kind of comp for rooms I prefer. It's
all very disciplined, but nevertheless my DLES is fun, fun, fun! Life
is supposed to be fun, but it's also supposed to be
disciplined.....Now with this tight, cheap and stingy DLES described,
you can see, even though I'm nearly 68 years old, I should have
enough stamina to play the level of VP needed to have wonderful trips
to Las Vegas!

Shows, fancy buffets (when obtained without jumping thru extra

hoops), interesting and exotic drinks, and lots of neat people to
talk to; isn't that what successful Las Vegas trips are intended to
be? Dave<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

   
  Dave-- I think you have hit the nail on the head with your "Jump

Thru Hoops" theory. Jean Scott has even stated (Jean--correct me if
I'm wrong)

  that comps should only be valued at what YOU would pay for that

same service/product. She even went on to state that Brad didn't
like or want $300 dollar shirts even if they were "free"/comped. I
think we--you, me and Jean S-- think alike and I also surmise that
many others here will subscribe to the "Jump thru Hoops" and the DLES
theory of comps in Las Vegas. I also guess that those that play at a
higher level don't see it as "jumping thru hoops" but more as a
result of their actions. I like your thinking after 68 years. . .

  and I hope you have a great trip to (as a friend of mind calls

it) Mecca. . . . .

···

from my home, and they gave me a tee shirt. It's black, and a small
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, K Haka <kjhaka@y...> wrote:

  
Jean H--
   
  You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes.
You can steer yourself any direction you choose.
You're on your own. And you know what you know.
  And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go.... Dr. Suess

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Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

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I've played a little craps at El Cortez, and they have a poker room.
Of course, my interest in poker started only a bit less than a year
ago, so I have no recollection of this poker game. But I'll bet it
would be a wonderful room. What you're saying is El Cortez intends
to be generous with their comps, has good +E video poker, and
probably fits with my developing strategy.

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...> wrote:

============================================
Hi Dave,

The EC Poker Room (along with much of the casino area and all of tge
rooms) has been extensively remodeled. The Poker room is now located
in the area where all the locals used to suffer "Black Hand Disease"
from pounding away at the the JW, non-credit coin-droppers.

The problem with their low-stakes Poker Room is SMOKE, with a
capitol S. If that doesn't bother you, this might be a good fit for
you.

IMO, the remodeled rooms at the EC are at least as nice as the other
downtown hotels, with the exception of the Golden Nugget. Comps are
reasonably easy to come by, and their VP inventory is great. They
don't have much (if any) 9/6 JOB, but have plenty of 8/5 BP.

Interestingly, the fellow who owned many casinos in Las Vegas,
including the Orleans, and Union Plaza, had lived at the El Cortez
for many years.

If you're referring to the legendary Jackie Gaughan (who recently
celebrated his 85th birthday) he STILL lives at the EC. His son,
Michael now owns the Coast Casinos. Except for the EC, the other
downtown Gaughan properties (Plaza, LV Club, Western etc.) were sold
to Barrick Corp. some time ago. They continued to slid downhill
after that, and Barrick was forced to relinguish ownership as well.

The Main Street buffet is a favorite with me (breakfast and lunch).
I've also played quite a bit of craps there. Nice people! I don't
think they have poker.......

MSS DOES have a Poker room. It's in the same area as the Restrooms.

While the Main Street buffet is OK, and certainly filling, don't
skip lunch. Pop over to the Golden Gate and grab one or two $1.00
Shrimp cocktails. ALL small shrimp....no celery filler.

Anyway, most important, enjoy yourself!

Do let us all know how you made out out. A Trip Report might be fun
for you to write and for us to read.

Best regards,
-Babe-

Your very upbeat message about Main Street Station and the El Cortez is very welcome with me!

It strikes me, given that I haven't been to Las Vegas much in the last 3 years, that very much is changing especially relating to poker. After all, it's said 50 million enjoy poker in the US alone! That's astonishing! That Las Vegas is adapting to that shouldn't be that surprising to me. Downtown LV, with it's constant need to demonstrate greater generosity than the Strip, must strive to be better in every respect. Installing a poker room off in some nook or cranny is unbelievably reasonable, given that the gaming commission would be willing to permit poker rooms to be added, even as they restrict the number of every kind of gaming machine and gaming table in the casino. I suspect added poker rooms wouldn't be limited in size at all, by the commission. If California has nearly unlimited poker rooms, than Las Vegas must too! So I shouldn't be as surprised as I've been, as to existance of poker rooms downtown. Unfortunately, the sites I have that claim to inventory poker rooms in Las Vegas are dismally behind, in terms of merely listing all these poker rooms.

My choice of a combination of video poker (to pay for trip expenses, other than transportation), and No Limit Texas Hold'em is most promising, the way things are shaping up.

These last few days I've won 12 poker book lots in eBay auctions, and that's kept me hopping! And a few more video poker books are among these. Then too, Friday Dancer's book about video poker arrived, and I've read the first chapter (disquieting, I must say!). In this chapter he attempts to acquaint readers with the special difficulties that come into play with video poker, including the tedium aspect and money management traps too. Video poker promises to be quite an adventure!

Being a stamp dealer, and having bought simply hundreds of stamp albums during a 5 year period ending 2002, I'm well acquainted with dealing with highly repetitive tasks. I feel I've learned patience because of this, the kind of patience one needs to play video poker for many hours at a time! But, 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating!." We'll see, once the adventure begins...

Thanks much!

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jackessiebabe
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:02 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Video Poker Observations From a Beginner

  In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...> wrote:

  I've played a little craps at El Cortez, and they have a poker room.
  Of course, my interest in poker started only a bit less than a year
  ago, so I have no recollection of this poker game. But I'll bet it
  would be a wonderful room. What you're saying is El Cortez intends
  to be generous with their comps, has good +E video poker, and
  probably fits with my developing strategy.
  ============================================
  Hi Dave,

  The EC Poker Room (along with much of the casino area and all of tge
  rooms) has been extensively remodeled. The Poker room is now located
  in the area where all the locals used to suffer "Black Hand Disease"
  from pounding away at the the JW, non-credit coin-droppers.

  The problem with their low-stakes Poker Room is SMOKE, with a
  capitol S. If that doesn't bother you, this might be a good fit for
  you.

  IMO, the remodeled rooms at the EC are at least as nice as the other
  downtown hotels, with the exception of the Golden Nugget. Comps are
  reasonably easy to come by, and their VP inventory is great. They
  don't have much (if any) 9/6 JOB, but have plenty of 8/5 BP.
  ====================================================

  Interestingly, the fellow who owned many casinos in Las Vegas,
  including the Orleans, and Union Plaza, had lived at the El Cortez
  for many years.
  =====================================================

  If you're referring to the legendary Jackie Gaughan (who recently
  celebrated his 85th birthday) he STILL lives at the EC. His son,
  Michael now owns the Coast Casinos. Except for the EC, the other
  downtown Gaughan properties (Plaza, LV Club, Western etc.) were sold
  to Barrick Corp. some time ago. They continued to slid downhill
  after that, and Barrick was forced to relinguish ownership as well.
  ========================================================

  The Main Street buffet is a favorite with me (breakfast and lunch).
  I've also played quite a bit of craps there. Nice people! I don't
  think they have poker.......
  =========================================================
  MSS DOES have a Poker room. It's in the same area as the Restrooms.

  While the Main Street buffet is OK, and certainly filling, don't
  skip lunch. Pop over to the Golden Gate and grab one or two $1.00
  Shrimp cocktails. ALL small shrimp....no celery filler.

  Anyway, most important, enjoy yourself!

  Do let us all know how you made out out. A Trip Report might be fun
  for you to write and for us to read.

  Best regards,
  -Babe-

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MSS DOES have a Poker room. It's in the same area
as the Restrooms.

You're probably thinking about another casino. Main Street
doesn't have a Poker room, and never has.

vpFae

Of course, you are absoutely correct! I was thinking of the Plaza.
One of the perils of engaging typing fingers prior to swallowing
coffee.

I do apologize.

-Babe-

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- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@C...> wrote:

MSS DOES have a Poker room. It's in the same area
as the Restrooms.

You're probably thinking about another casino. Main Street
doesn't have a Poker room, and never has.

vpFae