I may be going to Atlantic City this weekend. Does anyone have any
recommendations on the best place to play video poker? Will be staying
at Harrahs, but plan to go on down towards Caesars. Also, I am new to
the group but am really enjoying reading the messages every day. I have
been playing video poker pretty seriously for the past year. I used to
play black jack all the time and wondered why anyone would spend all
that time playing video poker....now I know !! I have hit 6 Royal
Flushes since September..the first was at Tropicana in LV..and the rest
have been at Harrahs Cherokee since that is the only place to play in
NC. All 6 were only on quarter machines...but two were progressive.
Finally moved up to a dollar machine this past weekend.
Another question I have is...do you think that even though the pay
schedules are not full pay...the older machines that you still find
some places seem to pay off at a much higher frequency than the newer
machines? I am talking about the old kind with the red and yellow pay
schedules at the top of the machine. Just curious what your opinion is
on this.
thanks
Vicki
video poker in atlantic city
VICKI <VICKI53@CHARTER.NET> wrote: I may be going to Atlantic City this weekend. Does anyone have any
recommendations on the best place to play video poker? Will be staying
at Harrahs, but plan to go on down towards Caesars. Also, I am new to
the group but am really enjoying reading the messages every day. I have
been playing video poker pretty seriously for the past year. I used to
play black jack all the time and wondered why anyone would spend all
that time playing video poker....now I know !! I have hit 6 Royal
Flushes since September..the first was at Tropicana in LV..and the rest
have been at Harrahs Cherokee since that is the only place to play in
NC. All 6 were only on quarter machines...but two were progressive.
Finally moved up to a dollar machine this past weekend.
Another question I have is...do you think that even though the pay
schedules are not full pay...the older machines that you still find
some places seem to pay off at a much higher frequency than the newer
machines? I am talking about the old kind with the red and yellow pay
schedules at the top of the machine. Just curious what your opinion is
on this.
thanks
Vicki
Be very careful Vicki. The VP in AC is 'different' than Vegas. I believe (convinced)they incorporate secondary results. Per the NJCCC, VP is considered a slot machine. You will see what I mean after playing, and losing. I have no way to prove this except my considerable sustained losses. Yes I do also play Vegas and have expected results. BTW, why do you think Bob Dancer doesn't play VP in AC? He teaches from time to time at Borgata. He has told me he will not play anywhere he doesn't have an advantage. Why else would AC not worry about having 9/6 JoB, and other 99%+ machines when Vegas is pulling these machines. There will be folks in denial that don't want to believe this. Much has been written and no one(Casinos, hosts, NJCCC) will give you a straight answer. If the casinos COULD get away with this, don't you really honestly think they will. It would be totally legal to do as it is considered a slot machine per NJ regulations. None of US players really know. As far as oversight;
at Tropicana this past September, 2 slot tech's were sitting next to me in front of a multi-denom upright machine. I was playing triple play $1 in high limit room. On the radio, one stated "I'm loosing up this machine" I stopped playing, and stated "while your at it, can you loosen this one too ?" They both clammed up and left. The point being, if everything with the VP machines are so super regulated, how can a slot tech, without an agent of the gaming board present, arbitrailly loosen/tighten machines ? I know the management directed them etc., but it happens. Something to think about.
Ron from Maryland
Harrah's has some 9/6 jack's or better, and so does the Showboat. A lot of people like Trump Plaza, but theres a lot of construction around there now.
Borgota is real nice and has good food and good machine's, but their stingy with comp's. Its your choice. Theres a lot of option's now.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
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VICKI <VICKI53@CHARTER.NET> wrote:
I may be going to Atlantic City this weekend. Does anyone have any
recommendations on the best place to play video poker? Will be staying
at Harrahs, but plan to go on down towards Caesars. Also, I am new to
the group but am really enjoying reading the messages every day. I have
been playing video poker pretty seriously for the past year. I used to
play black jack all the time and wondered why anyone would spend all
that time playing video poker....now I know !! I have hit 6 Royal
Flushes since September..the first was at Tropicana in LV..and the rest
have been at Harrahs Cherokee since that is the only place to play in
NC. All 6 were only on quarter machines...but two were progressive.
Finally moved up to a dollar machine this past weekend.
Another question I have is...do you think that even though the pay
schedules are not full pay...the older machines that you still find
some places seem to pay off at a much higher frequency than the newer
machines? I am talking about the old kind with the red and yellow pay
schedules at the top of the machine. Just curious what your opinion is
on this.
thanks
Vicki
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The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@yahoo.com> wrote: I have played video poker for thirty years. over this period i have noticed changes in hit frequency. its as if different programs were developed and brought into play. most people believe video poker is random. i think there may be manufactured psedo-random programs.
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VICKI <VICKI53@CHARTER.NET> wrote:
I may be going to Atlantic City this weekend. Does anyone have any
recommendations on the best place to play video poker? Will be staying
at Harrahs, but plan to go on down towards Caesars. Also, I am new to
the group but am really enjoying reading the messages every day. I have
been playing video poker pretty seriously for the past year. I used to
play black jack all the time and wondered why anyone would spend all
that time playing video poker....now I know !! I have hit 6 Royal
Flushes since September..the first was at Tropicana in LV..and the rest
have been at Harrahs Cherokee since that is the only place to play in
NC. All 6 were only on quarter machines...but two were progressive.
Finally moved up to a dollar machine this past weekend.
Another question I have is...do you think that even though the pay
schedules are not full pay...the older machines that you still find
some places seem to pay off at a much higher frequency than the newer
machines? I am talking about the old kind with the red and yellow pay
schedules at the top of the machine. Just curious what your opinion is
on this.
thanks
Vicki
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Showboat has plenty of full pay VP. Borgata has some full pay JB
mixed in with not so good paytables.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VICKI" <VICKI53@...> wrote:
I may be going to Atlantic City this weekend. Does anyone have any
recommendations on the best place to play video poker? Will be
staying at Harrahs, but plan to go on down towards Caesars.
Hi Ron,
I'm sorry to hear about your recent depressing losses while playing
VP in AC. Under the circumstances, it would seem to be a prudent
decision to take a hiatus from AC for awile.
As to Bob Dancer, I don't think that it's credible to believe that
he would conduct classes in applying correct playing strategy, to
machines where that strategy was basically useless i.e. non-random
VP.
I surmise that by saying that he "didn't have an advantage" in AC,
he meant that the best VP available (probably 9/6JOB) at an optimum
return of 99.54%, did not provide the needed extras (CB etc.) to
bring the game up to a playable standard for him. I seriously doubt
that he was hinting at an unfair or rigged game.
I would welcome reading any comments that Bob Dancer cares to make
on this subject.
I hope your VP fortunes improve soon!
-Babe-
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======================================================
................... BTW, why do you think Bob Dancer doesn't play VP
in AC? He teaches from time to time at Borgata. He has told me he
will not play anywhere he doesn't have an advantage.
Ron from Maryland
I recall a post that BD made on this subject a while ago. He indicated then that he was unable to take advantage of the CB's due to his infrequent returns, and therefore, it was not a positive play for him.
Regards,
Ted
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----- Original Message -----
From: jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:52 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: video poker in atlantic city
Hi Ron,
I'm sorry to hear about your recent depressing losses while
playing
VP in AC. Under the circumstances, it would seem to be a prudent
decision to take a hiatus from AC for awile.As to Bob Dancer, I don't think that it's credible to believe that
he would conduct classes in applying correct playing strategy, to
machines where that strategy was basically useless i.e. non-random
VP.I surmise that by saying that he "didn't have an advantage" in AC,
he meant that the best VP available (probably 9/6JOB) at an
optimum
return of 99.54%, did not provide the needed extras (CB etc.) to
bring the game up to a playable standard for him. I seriously
doubt
that he was hinting at an unfair or rigged game.I would welcome reading any comments that Bob Dancer cares to make
on this subject.I hope your VP fortunes improve soon!
-Babe-
======================================================
................... BTW, why do you think Bob Dancer doesn't play
VP
in AC? He teaches from time to time at Borgata. He has told me he
will not play anywhere he doesn't have an advantage.Ron from Maryland
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True.
He indicated that bounceback was a substantial part of the return of
JOB in Atlantic City which he most likely would not be able to
collect.
But even with cashback, JOB is still not (or barely by the smallest
percentage) a positive game in Atlantic City. He also indicated that
he would only play positive games.
I recall a post that BD made on this subject a while ago. He
indicated then that he was unable to take advantage of the CB's due
to his infrequent returns, and therefore, it was not a positive play
for him.
Regards,
TedFrom: jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@...>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:52 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: video poker in atlantic city> Hi Ron,
>
> I'm sorry to hear about your recent depressing losses while
> playing
> VP in AC. Under the circumstances, it would seem to be a prudent
> decision to take a hiatus from AC for awile.
>
> As to Bob Dancer, I don't think that it's credible to believe
that
> he would conduct classes in applying correct playing strategy, to
> machines where that strategy was basically useless i.e. non-
random
> VP.
>
> I surmise that by saying that he "didn't have an advantage" in
AC,
> he meant that the best VP available (probably 9/6JOB) at an
> optimum
> return of 99.54%, did not provide the needed extras (CB etc.) to
> bring the game up to a playable standard for him. I seriously
> doubt
> that he was hinting at an unfair or rigged game.
>
> I would welcome reading any comments that Bob Dancer cares to
make
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> on this subject.
>
> I hope your VP fortunes improve soon!
>
> -Babe-
>
> ======================================================
>
> ................... BTW, why do you think Bob Dancer doesn't play
> VP
> in AC? He teaches from time to time at Borgata. He has told me he
> will not play anywhere he doesn't have an advantage.
>
> Ron from Maryland
>
>
>
>
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>
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I haven't read all of this thread as I've been busy on other
projects. I saw my name pop out as people were suggesting reasons why I
didn't play in AC while I was there. The reason I don't play at the
Borgata on my trips is
a. Cash back would expire before I returned
b. They fly Shirley and me into PHL, take us back and forth
to the hotel via limo, and give us RFB (for us and an assistant) while
we are there. This makes additional comps earned worthless as RFB + $200
is still equal to basic RFB.
So the game itself is merely 99.544%, which isn't CLOSE to being
interesting.
So the reason we don't play on these trips is that we get less
in cash back and comps than anyone else. That's essentially the same
situation as we face at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas (albeit for 1,000,000
different reasons), and we don't play there either. And we certainly
believe that the games at the MGM Grand are also fair and would welcome
a chance to play there at full benefits.
The games in AC are fair. They are on IGT's basic machine, which
by Nevada law MUST be fair everywhere they appear or else they cannot be
used in Nevada. This is a VERY strong reason for IGT to make them as
fair as they can.
Someone (perhaps Babe?) suggested that I wouldn't teach at a
place where I thought the game wasn't on the up and up --- and that is
EXACTLY correct. And thank you for acknowledging it.
Bob Dancer
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or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
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Dear Bob
I think it was your old articles from Casino player in the late 90's
I referenced in my post.
pasted: I remember old casino player articles saying "it is cheaper
to fly to Vegas than play in AC".
Sorry if I was mistaken.
The close to 'advantage' VP games at Foxwoods are sigma machines (
i.e. 9/5 dbl Joker) what do you think of sigmas?
I haven't read all of this thread as I've been busy on other
projects. I saw my name pop out as people were suggesting reasons
why I
didn't play in AC while I was there. The reason I don't play at the
Borgata on my trips isa. Cash back would expire before I returned
b. They fly Shirley and me into PHL, take us back and
forth
to the hotel via limo, and give us RFB (for us and an assistant)
while
we are there. This makes additional comps earned worthless as RFB +
$200
is still equal to basic RFB.
So the game itself is merely 99.544%, which isn't CLOSE to
being
interesting.
So the reason we don't play on these trips is that we get
less
in cash back and comps than anyone else. That's essentially the same
situation as we face at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas (albeit for
1,000,000
different reasons), and we don't play there either. And we certainly
believe that the games at the MGM Grand are also fair and would
welcome
a chance to play there at full benefits.
The games in AC are fair. They are on IGT's basic machine,
which
by Nevada law MUST be fair everywhere they appear or else they
cannot be
used in Nevada. This is a VERY strong reason for IGT to make them as
fair as they can.Someone (perhaps Babe?) suggested that I wouldn't teach at a
place where I thought the game wasn't on the up and up --- and that
is
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:
EXACTLY correct. And thank you for acknowledging it.
Bob Dancer
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Bob,
I assume that by "fair" you mean each card has an equal chance of
appearing on the deal or draw. This does not appear to be the law of
Nevada (although not being a lawyer I may be wrong and would
appreciate a correction with a pointer to the statute or regulation).
I have searched the statute and regulations and cannot find such a
law. When I asked someone in Enforcement about it he was not aware of
such a law.
Regulation 14.18 controls the conditions for a manufacturer to ship a
gaming device out of state. The device is not required to be licensed
for use in Nevada. In fact, how could IGT ship a slot machine to NJ
if it is approved there first? And they regularly ship Class II and
Class III VLT's that do not conform to Nevada statutes and
regulations to jurisdictions that require them to operate the way they do.
Also, subsection 9 of Regulation 14.18 authorizes the chairman to
waive any and all requirements "upon good cause shown".
None of this means that NJ machines do not operate exactly the way
they do in NV. Although no law or regulation in NJ requires this, the
NJCCC states that they will NOT license a VP machine that does not
operate with each card having an equal chance of appearing as if it
was hand-dealt. They have informed the testing labs that they use of this.
B
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At 01:46 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:
The games in AC are fair. They are on IGT's basic machine, which
by Nevada law MUST be fair everywhere they appear or else they cannot be
used in Nevada. This is a VERY strong reason for IGT to make them as
fair as they can.
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Billvolk11 said: I think it was your old articles from Casino player in
the late 90's I referenced in my post.
pasted: I remember old casino player articles saying "it is cheaper to
fly to Vegas than play in AC".
Sorry if I was mistaken.
I don't remember saying any such thing, and if I did, I was wrong. My
first trip to AC was before I started writing for Casino Player, so I've
known from day 1 (Casino Player writing-wise) that 9/6 Jacks was
available if you looked hard enough for it. I've written a lot of things
and my information keeps getting better as I continue to learn. I don't
know that your apology is necessary, but it's accepted in any case.
Even if we played 9/6 Jacks with no slot club at all in AC, a perfect
quarter player playing $10,000 coin in over a 2-day trip could expect to
lose $46. Airfare to Las Vegas for anyone near AC is quite a bit more
than that. And even non-stops take 5 hours --- and most players who play
in AC can get there in less time than that. (This last weekend, we were
on a non-stop that ended up taking 8 hours due to unexpected delays. I
don't know about others, but long plane trips wipe me out for a day or
two.)
If you're planning on staying a week or more and you are proficient at
the most profitable games found in Vegas (or maybe you can combine 4
different promotions in the same trip), then yes, making the trip to
Vegas can be a better financial deal than Atlantic City. But for short
trips, including everything, AC is a decent-enough place to play if you
live in the area.
Finally, I know the ins and outs of the best plays in Las Vegas --- at
least for the stakes I play and at the casinos where I am welcome. I
have NOT studied the best plays in AC, simply because it wouldn't be
useful information for me. There are several players on this site and
the AC arm of vpFREE who have a lot more information about the best
games there. I supsect it's true that for Harry Porter and other
knowledgeable AC regulars, that the reason they come to Vegas
periodically isn't that the gambling is that much better. It's just that
it's VEGAS.
Bob Dancer
For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
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Dear Bob
thanks for thne response
In the late 90's, 9/6 was mostly only available at the dollar
level in AC ( except 2 old machines at Trump plaza and some over @
Trump marina). There was also a $$10/7 game I never found at T
Plaza plus some 10/7 in .25s at the wild west bar-long gone ,some
ddj @ hilton Also AC had some 99.9 9/5 double jokers/ mostly 8/5s -
these did not get much writing back then.
The Bally'sAC ( and AC Hilton) 8/5 bonus 3 play machines with royal
progressives starting @ 1000 on line 1, 1100, on 2, and 1200 on 3,
with a dealt royal @ $6-7 K on average were close to and often a
better play than the $1 9/6s- and far less volatile than $1 9/6s.
These are still offered and are good games. Now there are a lot
of .25 9/6s in AC.
The late 90's articles in casino player ( that I will look up )
more exactly said it was cheaper to fly to Vegas than play $1 9/6s
in AC = meaning because of all the advantage games offered in LV at
that time - And yes as an easterner, my first visits to the
Fiesta, The Reserve,downtown LV, later Orleans etc. were well worth
it.
And yes Las Vegas is just better for many non gambling reasons.
good luck in 2006
Billvolk11 said: I think it was your old articles from Casino
player in
the late 90's I referenced in my post.
pasted: I remember old casino player articles saying "it is
cheaper to
fly to Vegas than play in AC".
Sorry if I was mistaken.I don't remember saying any such thing, and if I did, I was wrong.
My
first trip to AC was before I started writing for Casino Player,
so I've
known from day 1 (Casino Player writing-wise) that 9/6 Jacks was
available if you looked hard enough for it. I've written a lot of
things
and my information keeps getting better as I continue to learn. I
don't
know that your apology is necessary, but it's accepted in any case.
Even if we played 9/6 Jacks with no slot club at all in AC, a
perfect
quarter player playing $10,000 coin in over a 2-day trip could
expect to
lose $46. Airfare to Las Vegas for anyone near AC is quite a bit
more
than that. And even non-stops take 5 hours --- and most players
who play
in AC can get there in less time than that. (This last weekend, we
were
on a non-stop that ended up taking 8 hours due to unexpected
delays. I
don't know about others, but long plane trips wipe me out for a
day or
two.)
If you're planning on staying a week or more and you are
proficient at
the most profitable games found in Vegas (or maybe you can combine
4
different promotions in the same trip), then yes, making the trip
to
Vegas can be a better financial deal than Atlantic City. But for
short
trips, including everything, AC is a decent-enough place to play
if you
live in the area.
Finally, I know the ins and outs of the best plays in Las Vegas ---
at
least for the stakes I play and at the casinos where I am welcome.
I
have NOT studied the best plays in AC, simply because it wouldn't
be
useful information for me. There are several players on this site
and
the AC arm of vpFREE who have a lot more information about the best
games there. I supsect it's true that for Harry Porter and other
knowledgeable AC regulars, that the reason they come to Vegas
periodically isn't that the gambling is that much better. It's
just that
···
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it's VEGAS.
Bob Dancer
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There was a VP pro/writer that questioned AC randmomness back in the 90's. It comes up every so often on VP boards. I don't think there has been an known incident of gaffed VP in AC. There have been several in Las Vegas with at leat one murder (a programmer).
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VICKI" <VICKI53@...> wrote:
I may be going to Atlantic City this weekend. Does anyone have any
recommendations on the best place to play video poker? Will be staying
at Harrahs, but plan to go on down towards Caesars. Also, I am new to
the group but am really enjoying reading the messages every day. I have
been playing video poker pretty seriously for the past year. I used to
play black jack all the time and wondered why anyone would spend all
that time playing video poker....now I know !! I have hit 6 Royal
Flushes since September..the first was at Tropicana in LV..and the rest
have been at Harrahs Cherokee since that is the only place to play in
NC. All 6 were only on quarter machines...but two were progressive.
Finally moved up to a dollar machine this past weekend.
Another question I have is...do you think that even though the pay
schedules are not full pay...the older machines that you still find
some places seem to pay off at a much higher frequency than the newer
machines? I am talking about the old kind with the red and yellow pay
schedules at the top of the machine. Just curious what your opinion is
on this.
thanks
Vicki
There are definitely times when I notice playing anomalies. I do believe the vp in AC is random, or as random as a RNG can make it. I believe also in the maxim that we notice anomalies because they are anomalies, not because the machines have been gaffed.
Now that I'm an east coaster within striking distance of AC, I have made the trip a couple of times. Playing at Bally's, my first two hands dealt a pair of sevens. Throughout the session, I would get many more pairs of sevens than I rationally thought should have come up, and none of them drew into paying hands. Again, I played for maybe an hour or two, not nearly long enough to gather evidence that the machine had something wrong with it. Did I notice it more because it occurred on my first two hands? Probably.
Drew
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
There was a VP pro/writer that questioned AC randmomness back in the 90's. It comes up every so often on VP boards. I don't think there has been an known incident of gaffed VP in AC. There have been several in Las Vegas with at leat one murder (a programmer).
Showboat used to have playable VP. They have not had FP for almost a year now.
···
Showboat has plenty of full pay VP. Borgata has some full pay JB
mixed in with not so good paytables.
Showboat does have 9/6 JOB which is considered full pay.
···
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From: wbehlert@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:20:39 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: video poker in atlantic cityShowboat used to have playable VP. They have not had FP for almost a year now.
>
> Showboat has plenty of full pay VP. Borgata has some full pay JB
> mixed in with not so good paytables.
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Every casino in AC has full pay JOB.
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Showboat does have 9/6 JOB which is considered full pay.
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:20:39 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: video poker in atlantic city
>
> Showboat used to have playable VP. They have not had FP for almost a year now.
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On 4/28/2010 9:17 AM, mike wrote:
Every casino in AC has full pay JOB.
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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: mspevack@optonline.net
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:29:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: video poker in atlantic cityOn 4/28/2010 9:17 AM, mike wrote:
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> Every casino in AC has full pay JOB.
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Like what and where?=======
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